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Post by mike692 on Jan 10, 2005 14:51:40 GMT -6
We talked about this briefly in the beaver lock thread, but I wanted to start a new one so all could comment.
For those of you who have experience using cable restraints, do you have a high rate of chew-outs when restraining coyote?
Looks like there's a good change we'll have cable restraints in 2006, and the way I understand it, we will be limited to 3/32 cable.
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Post by woody on Jan 10, 2005 15:26:02 GMT -6
I hate to say it, but if he ain't swinging your chances of holding him are slim. This is what he'll do to that size cable  sorry. woody |
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Post by coonwhacker on Jan 10, 2005 15:30:59 GMT -6
I am just guessing here, but I think that 3/32" restriction will mean no smaller than 3/32" but we should be able to go bigger if need be.
mike
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Post by Stef on Jan 10, 2005 15:35:45 GMT -6
In a state FULL LOADED WITH DEER  Not heavier, smaller... Even with BAD Stef |
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Post by coonwhacker on Jan 10, 2005 15:43:36 GMT -6
You got a point steph.
mike
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Post by mike692 on Jan 10, 2005 15:51:52 GMT -6
You may be right Mike. I think our regs are to be patterned after Wisconsin and I see they can use 7x7 and 7x19 3/32 AND 1/8. That's good. 1/8th would make me alot more comfortable.
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Post by coyote on Jan 10, 2005 16:35:23 GMT -6
this is in NO WAY, shape or form an advertisement for this company (I've never snared anything before!), but...
I emailed a gentleman from Thompson snares just today, and he HIGHLY recommended we put the pressure on to allow 1 X 19 single strand IPS cable...he said the snare closes a lot quicker than on 7 X 7. of course, he sells that type snare.
but, as I understand, that's the ONLY cable they use; and they've been solely in the snaring biz (no trapping supplies, just snares) since the 1920's
for more info on this cable, there was an article in one of the last American Trapper mags. same guy featured in the article responded to my email.
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 10, 2005 17:16:18 GMT -6
Mike, 7x7 3/32 is an EXCELLENT cable for coyotes.
It has without question, caught more coyotes than all others combined.
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Post by mike692 on Jan 10, 2005 20:15:53 GMT -6
Mike, 7x7 3/32 is an EXCELLENT cable for coyotes. Chris, does that recommendation include non-lethal restraining snares? ;D I have been using 3/32 for a few years for cable stakes and have had no problem, but I'm sure snares are a bit of a different animal. |
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Post by ChrisM on Jan 10, 2005 20:53:41 GMT -6
Yes. For many years 3/32 was all I used, and I was in an area where we had to keep em alive due to dog problems.
Absent any entanglement or brush to chew you will lose some. I've had em chew out of 1/8 inch too!
The use of long (8 - 10 feet) snares and swivels (as close as possible to coyote) will keep it to a minimum. Short snares are just asking for chewed cable.
I'd try to set in light brush. Give em lots to chew on but not sturdy enough to wrap up tight on.
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Post by foxcatcher1 on Jan 10, 2005 23:16:03 GMT -6
I use 3/32 and 5/64s I use the small stuff on fence crossings were I know they will hang. I use 3/32 in open areas. I have only had 2 chew outs in 3 years. Before that I can't remember any. One was on a 5/64 snare were the cable was too short all he had to do was chew and he did. The other was in an open wood lot with NO under growth I think he was just a smart one. I do alot better with the longer snares. I have to use relaxing locks here and have many dogs so I kinda need to keep them alive in most situations (exept were I set fences). That leaves alot of time for the chewers to do what they will if they are going to.
Don
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Post by coyote on Jan 11, 2005 4:25:44 GMT -6
for those who've used 3/32 and 1/8...how many refusals percentage-wise (1/8) versus chew-outs (3/32)?
if we're going to lose a few anyway, my THOUGHTS (again, I've never snared ANYTHING) are I'd rather not have a cable on the missed (refused) ones.
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Post by Hornhunter on Jan 11, 2005 6:40:26 GMT -6
We only used killing snares In Maine. I tried the 1/16th 1x19 and had several chew outs. 5'64th. had a few/ 3/32 Don't think I had any chew outs.
I'd stick with the 3/32 or 1/8th in your type of snaring. Smaller would be asking for more chew out problems.
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Post by Edge on Jan 11, 2005 14:50:33 GMT -6
**I hate to say it, but if he ain't swinging your chances of holding him are slim. This is what he'll do to that size cable **
Not sure I follow that Woody......I have taken both beaver and coyote live in 3/32;I have had less than half a dozen chew outs and NONE on homemade snares.
Edge
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Post by DaveLyons on Jan 11, 2005 19:59:31 GMT -6
Edge,
Do you tend to run a long snare 10-13ft. I have used a lot of 3/32 cable and held every coyote some I arrived just in time because a few more bit and rolls he would have been gone. My first year snaring that is all I used and lost 6 coyotes in two days but not because of chew outs but because of the person that made the snares (Not Me) pounded the end nut to hard and cut the cable but I could see that, that is why I make my own snares today. I personally like the 5/64 7x7 and 1x19. But 7x7 get used mostly in fox country.
Dave
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Post by Edge on Jan 12, 2005 4:54:16 GMT -6
**Do you tend to run a long snare 10-13ft.**
Yes,and no.Generally I run a 5' snarewith a swiveled end,and attach *that*to an extension;so I guess the whole assembly is from 12 to 15 feet.
I also use just a ten fotter when I need to,but I really like the 5 fotters bets as I make land snares for beaver and coyote all the same.My underice beaver snares are mmore like 40",which I can often make from the scrap of the 5 footers.
Edge
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