Overloading Coyotes sences

[mkcmb]

was wondering what everyone thinks about this?

say you put in a dirt hole give it a good lure or bait like powder river and then hit it with urine and place a call lure near by.

do you feel that it can overlaod the coyotes system and maybe make him back off and not work the set or do you feel it makes them less cautious and they work in faster!

I never mix the two say use bait and urine and maybe I am making a mistake. would like to hear your thoughts.

[bobwendt]

I hear that but don`t think there is any truth to it. Heck, they will come to a dead pig pit or a pile of dead steers weighing tons, with other coyote poop and pee everywhere. I`ve caught them in quantity with every combination known to man and have now settled on to just bait and pee for ease and speed.

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

That's my experience to Bob.

Anything that stinks will catch "some" coyotes.

There are some things that stink that will catch "most" coyotes.

The mistique of magic in a bottle still holds a romantic interest to me but from a practical standpoint it doesn't.

I had a friend of mine catch a hundred coyotes one fall on watered down ammonia and fish fertilizer used for tomatoes.

Now don't give me any guff about the romantic comment. You all know what I mean. Lol

Joel

[trappincoyotes39]

I don't think in the scenaro you listed you will over load a coyotes senses. Coyotes mark territory and bait stations with urine, to prove claim over others this is my area or my food source, a dirt hole with bait and urine won't overload a thing. Coyotes are used to urine smells at many places along there lines of travel, by using both I feel you a tune that coyote in with a situation he feels natural about, something close to the same things he has come about before and has positive results with. I think to many give a coyote human traits or lines of thoughts, I feel coyotes approach things with either a postive,neutral or negative reaction, whatever it may be. There cautious by nature, thats how they survive and thats how they attain the groceries.
I have used bait and lure at sets with excellent results, I have used one and not the other with good results, I have used just urine with good results, I feel it has more to do with the coyotes your working, the density of the coyotes, the time of year, and are you working fall pups and adults or just breeding pairs at a different time of year. How much pressure outside of yourself are they put through, and what are others using?
Don't make coyotes out to be this all knowing canid, they seem that way to many because, they are wary by nature and adapt faster than any other species, when things are out of place or come across negative sensories.
Some will say coyotes are curious, I say not curiosity but wary and approach all things as such. There are studies showing coyotes will work a set better outside there own home range much quicker and with more "gusto" if you will, some would say curiosity, I say they know there own territorys and want to get what they can from anothers area as fast as they can, without getting busted, so there more likely to try and get what they can before the neighbor catches them in there cookie jar so to say.
Coyotes are very territorial and defend those territorys well, and also the breeding rights of the female. They know through scent marking and howling who is where and when. Thats why you have a dispersal as the young know it's time to go and find my own area, other species, will have there tussles and can stay in the same home range outside of breeding, coyotes don't like others around from bredding season through pup rearing time.
I do notice though during spring calving, they will tolerate different family groups staying relativly close to the food source, spring calves and after birth, again I feel ma nature made them this way, that the females need that high protein after birth to have a good litter of pups so they tolerate each other for that short time frame.
Coyotes are a true survivor, they adapt well, know there surroundings very well, and just keep changing with the flow, truly amazing animals.

[mkcmb]

thanks for the quick reply's and giving me your opion. i think i will make sets and use two or three differnt atracters and watch my results. they are wary to a point and was wondering if to many imputs maight seem un-nautraul and make them become more wary.

[trappnman]

Overload their senses? I don't think it can be done....I've seen them play with pig carcasses that literally made me gag on a nightly basis.....

This old saw about using too much lure....PLEASE!

[dj88ryr]

If you CAN use too much lure, I guess I have been doing it wrong all along, and will continue to as long as I can afford to buy it by the pint... ;D

[trappnman]

Some would say curiosity?

I say curiosity killed more coyotes than anything else-

[bobwendt]

as an interesting tidbit--- when denning in wyoming in thick heavyknee hi sage, in an area where we feel there is a coyote den, we slowly drive overland bumping, with the windows open and the radio blaring as loud as we can get it with rock music. Of course we look for a coyote running off in the distance but more often then not we scan the blue sage for a set of ears peeping up over the hi sage to see what the commotion is. Often the coyote will just belly crawl slink off and never be seen if creeping in slow and quiet. The pair is usually laying a couple hundred yards off the den if the pups have a little age , and the male off and the female close if real young pups. So I would definitly say curiosity has killed a couple thousand coyotes for me. Plus this denning definitly keeps the moss from growing on my truck under carriage. The black rust spray is a joke on my trucks as you could use the bottoms like a mirror they are so shiny. Whenever I trade the dealer looks under, gets blinded and asks what the heck did you do, sand the thing?

[trappnman]

Slim once made a comment that I like to think about...he said that many times when making a set, he believed you were being watched by a coyote. After all, he added, what else to they have to do all day...

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Several times in my life I've had a coyote come over and watch me make a set.

Each time that has happened I just drove down the road and came back to find him caught.

Joel

[bobwendt]

ahh, the 5 minute coyote! Last jan I actually had one at the same set I just took one out of 5 minutes before, on the deadhead return trip back thru. Did it FOUR different times. Luckily had riders with me everytime to share the thill.

[DaveLyons]

Not trying to change the subject. But two yrs ago the wife and I had the pleasure of watching a fox work a dirt hole set. Well after a short time the sucker just sat on his rear and stared at the dirthole and never got caught. Talk about being baffled. My wife just laughed at me. But then what are wives for right.

Dave

[trappincoyotes39]

Bob I wouldn't say just because a coyote doesn't take off on a dead run everytime it hears or sees something that to be curiosity, I would call that a survival trate, learned through time, with every rancher taking pot shots at every coyote that tears ass out of the sage, overtime just like monster deer, it's best to remain still than to run off, most of these still layers are left untouched by most, because there expecting the coyote to bolt, adapters are what they are.
Curiosity would be that same denning pair hearing hank jr on your radio and comming into you to get a good listen of "if the south would have won we would have it made". ;D.

[bobwendt]

no doubt there are some never raise up for a peek, before either laying low or slinking off low so as to never be seen, but my educated guess is about 95% will raise their head up to listen to rock music. This is pretty desolate country, no paved roads, heck no roads at all, and all private ground. So while I assume all have heard trucks before, on 2 tracks, I doubt any have heard rock music before and likely not a truck rattling overland while blaring rock music. I have a hootie and the blowfish tape they seem particularly intrigued with also. We still see a few steakers, but like you say, they are shot at if seen, by anyone, so not too many mad dashers anymore. And their denning sites seem to be in the thickest heaviest sage there is, or in remote side fingers of rough deep draws you can`t drive. Some we can spot from the air and some are still horseback and educated guess finds. They aren`t getting any more sloppier, that`s for sure. Probly have to change up to a linda rondstadt tape in a year or two, maybe k.d. lang if it doesn`t drive me bonkers. A little 70`s motown should be the berries.

[trappincoyotes39]

I am in the sage country and roads at a premieum as well. I have areas that are 45-60 sq miles without a road, your road is over the cactus and thru the canyons. I notice during spring calving coyotes are most at ease and will hang around longer, than any other time of year. A conditioned response, they know if the truck sound is comming that calves are due or are going to be pulled soon, less likley to bolt. Take them same coyotes 3 months later and the nosie of a truck and they haul the mail out of there. Curious coyotes? I would say that conditioned response gives them a positive, that soon there will be an afterbirth snack waiting for me, or for the true aggressor, a nice veal cutlett ;D. As long as the rancher doesn't start pot shooting it makes for some good daytime coyote plinking from a top a haystack

[bobwendt]

I got 200 cents each for some coyotes at nafa last may. I guess they were not overloaded. Sorry, I couldn`t resist. I guess that is proof that nobody that wants coyotes is overloaded. Likewise I once shot a coyote square in the head with a .38 pistol and he just shook his head, bled a lot and stood there. I guess in that case I was not overloaded. My wife and I got overloaded down at the class of `58 bar one evening tho. I think I better quite while I am still allowed on.

[mkcmb]

thanks for all the replies i set traps today and used many different combinations and cna't wait to see what the results are.