gland lure in dirtholes

[JWarren]

Who uses gland lure in the bottom of the dirthole for coyotes? I personally haven't tried it, I have always used the gland lure on the backing. I have heard some say they use gland lure down the hole. Anyone have any luck doing this?

[vttrapper]

Yep done and it has caught coyotes. This year i am trying bait and urine at holes, gland lure at flats.

frank

[Stef]

I caught quite a few coyotes that way but when I am after coyotes, I usually saved my gland lures for scent post sets or flat.

For fox, I do that all the time!

Stef

[trappnman]

I'm of the belief that all lures are curiosity lures- including gland lures.

I use gland lures at flat sets and hole sets....can't see where itm atters much.

THat old saying aobut gland lure, urine at dirholes and leaving food etc- mighht be true concenring a natural hole and with natural happenings- but at a prepared gland lure and it changes.

I refuse to believe a coyote smells a gland lure and thinks..." Oh, Uncle Charlie was here..."

Now- a foot down the hole, a tuft of anus hair...perhaps...

[trappincoyotes39]

Gland lure is just that a lure used to intice a coyote to check out who has been there and what age and sex them to be. Curiosity is a wide word, all lures make all animals curious as to what is there in front of there noses, but they all each have a purpose and different reaction.
Some will enrage a coyote at a certain time of year, others will have them digging and pawing at the dirt, because of the make up of the lure. You won't get the same reaction and approach from different lures with much different ingreidants.
I have noticed at a flat set or hole set I get more back foot catches with a gland lure than any other type of lure used. I think they approach the gland smell and work it differently. You will get more leg lifting, urninating and kick back action, with a gland lure than any other type I have used.
A gland lure can tell a coyote, the sex or attempt too tell the sex, relative age of the coyote and male versus female. Early season a gland lure sucks in pups for that very reason there curious as to what of there kind was up to and what did they find at this spot. I feel they work a food lure differently, there focusing on the food odor and what it means as a belly filler, and approach it as such.
Multi based lures have come on and to some they think that because they hold varying degrees of odors that it must keep the coyote at the set longer there for making there chances of a catch better. To some degree yes, it all depends on the time of year and what coyotes your working, heavy pressured coyotes, I feel have a limited response time to these types of lures, while a curiosity, they seem not to work the area as long, get a good whiff and down the road, I have seen the tracks to somewhat prove this theroy. Change it up with a natural bait down a hole or just plain urine sometimes will keep them longer than a multi based exotic lure. The fall/winter when working "fresh" coyotes alot of them being young pups and there apt to fall for just about anything they can get a whiff of. Some multi based lures hold excellent appeal, some gland lures hold that appeal in a different way at a different time of year. It's like calling coyotes knowing what sound to use and when for maximum results, exspecially when dealing with call shy coyotes. Trapping is no different. I have caught coyotes that walk by a set on one lure, and come back to find that coyote caught in a natural setting with a natural odor/natural setup.
I love to find ant hills in the summer through late fall and on into winter, lay some turds there or use the ones that the coyote left there as a marking station, put a few drops of urine on them and a little gland lure on the under side of the droppings and blend in 100%, thats the beauty of an anthill and the fine dirt you can make it look like it was never messed with, and the coyote works that set every time.
Same princaple with any animal, use deer for example, they know the smell of a dominate buck, and using tarsal gland prepaired and sold, you will scare off young bucks with one good whiff!
Urine and glands are ways all animals communicate with one another vocals being the other, while they may not know it is uncle charlie, they know a fellow coyote has been there and they want to know what there intentions are.That I consider a different reaction to that type of odor versus one made up of exoctic ingreidents not found in the coyotes day to day life.
Some of the best beaver trappers will tell you to use sac oil and castors from beavers from other colonys as it has more of a response than using ones caught from a memeber of the clan. They do have there own odor and I find it amazing they can distingish those odors, from family and outsiders looking to intrude.

[trappnman]

unless you are using the gland from 1 coyote- you aren't telling him a thing- same as collection urine.

[briankroberts]

I don't use gland lure at my dirtholes, I know I could catch Coyotes with it there, but I use a 3 sets at a location and I use gland lure and urine at a subtle post set, the other 2 sets have bait and food/ curiosty lure.
This works well for me.....B.....

[trappermike]

i use gland at flat sets only

[trappincoyotes39]

so Tman are you stating that by using collection tarsal gland that your not telling a deer anything as well? Or that doe in estrous collected doesn't have an attraction to a buck deer?
I would state that just because it isn't from one coyote, does not mean a coyote isn't getting something from that source. Collection urine or that from a single source will reveal food odors to a coyote, and dominance or lack there of.
I have used collection doe in estrous and have had bucks come in on a line, even though I'm sure all of these does where in different stages of esterous.
Even collection urine will iniate a response in a dog, to do what, mark that spot as a territorial response, that can be used to an advantage exspecially at breeding and pup rearing time.
At times single source urine of varying age and sex coyotes is an advanatge, but at times even collection urine will trigger a teritorrial response. One that will bring in the coyote same with gland lure, I might add that the best I have found is from fur country his deception and seduction is 100% glands and nothing else. They will trigger responses in coyotes. Again each type has a purpose and a good gland lure will trigger a good territorial response as well as to invistigate who has been there and why.

[trappnman]

as I had to tell my dnr once- a deer is not a coyote. I never used a deer lure and never will. Even so- since estrus hormones break down rather quickly- I doubt if it really smells like Mary to a buck...curiousity...just like fox urine is to a deer.

If you want to believe that multi animal gland lure with additives smell like a fellow coyote to another coyote -- do so. I don't believe it for a minute.

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[trappincoyotes39]

Adeer isn't a coyote but they all have the exact same instincts, food, cover, reproduction and to survival. Though different time of the year and rituals, it does trigger a response. Do you really think it is a true curiosity, that any animal thinks that way? I'm curious to what that smell is? It has to hit them in a way that makes it's investigation trigger some basic need in there life. While not knowing mary, barry or larry, it does trigger a natural response. Certainly not just that I'm curious as to what that odor is in that mind set.
Every odor they come acroos fits into there basic needs, thats all any wild animal has basic needs, because they have no reasoning process!
As far as the deer lure if you have never used it how could you comment on results either positive or negative? I have watched buck deer and have brought them off of normal travel patterns to hunt out that scent. There noses coyotes and deer are much more than anyone can comprehend! How do you think buck deer get on the scent trails of these does, what is the break down period? What additives can one add to this to slow down the process? These are answers I don't have but I know a deer works deer lure, both esterous and tarsal, and that coyotes react differently to different smells, be it from one source or ten, there pulling something out of that odor, that triggers a basic response.
I would also say read the report from DWRC about the synthetic coyote lures they have come up with and had different formulations that coyotes have had many different responses and they are even responses to a given synthetic, they where doing this research to better m-44 type lures to get that bite pull response, which you won't get from all lures.
If all lures are curiosity, then why do you get different responses, and what does these different responses mean to the coyote? That we may never figure out.

[trappnman]

If all lures are curiosity, then why do you get different responses

pretty obvious- different ingredients push different triggers- all available on the Logan site for those interested. Different triggers cause different reactions- again available on the Logan site.

[trappincoyotes39]

So then we agree on that, what would you say a gland lure purchased triggers in the coyote? Would it be territoral, aggression? I agree with you that they can't tell it was mary or fred, but they know a coyote has been there, and that instills a response. Be it from one gland of one coyote out side there family group or one made up of glands from different coyotes. I think they take away the same and react to them the same, the only change would be time of year, and what that triggers in them.
A deer can't tell what doe is in esterous, but he can tell there is a doe in esterous by smelling the urine/lure. I agree he can't tell that is was buck" fred "by his tarsal smell he just knows by the odor it is a dominate buck and to stay clear or have the show down.
I just think we have a definition problem not so much a disagreement. I think cuirosity is a broad statement, curiosity to a human and that of any wild animal I feel are two totally different things, as we can assume and ponder with thought what that smell my be, and we have the ability with odors to find something odd or out of place without the basic instincts having to kick in.
The odor of man is such that the young are taught from an early age to shy away from in different degrees, I wouldn't say that to be a curiosity, but just plain survival instinct. As are the other odors they encounter. Good post I'm done

[coydog]

Good thoughts 35 and Tman.

[trappnman]

territorial or aggression? thats like asking have you stopped beating your wife...contains too few options....

Curiosty- plain and simple. Nether territorial or aggressive in nature....

A case of "whats that neat smell coming from over there...."

tests have proven that glucose based substances attractant coyotes the most...

another thought- research has shown 60% or more of the local coyotes are non territorial- claim no territory and are nomads. How would you expect them to react to even pure gland smells?

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman your reasearch showing 60% non terirtorial is done at what time of year? and under what density of coyotes? I can tell you that during the summer there are more territorys being defended than those nomads you speak of. During the fall/winter I agree, but time of year plays into territory defense greatly. So at this time of year a good strong gland lure or urine plays much differently to the coyote than fall/winter. As would female in heat odors during the mating period.
As far as a coyote thinking heck I'm going to check out that "neat smell over there". I don't feel that fits into a wild animals make up at all. An odor triggers a basic instinct, not just wonderment. Just like perfume triggers in our minds a distinct thought almost right away, but we have the ability to wonder and ponder, I don't feel wild animlas have that ability.
There are odors that are positive, neutral or negative to wild animals and that is it. We can say that odor is close to an apple pie, but not quite, I feel wild animals either smells the apple pie or it doesn't.
My point on territory and agression is it triggers that emotion in a coyote from the first whiff, it doesn't have the ability to logically think it through like we do, it either elecits the response or it doesn't. I don't feel a coyote has to ponder on an odor or get a closer investigation as to what it is for it to accertain a reaction, the reaction is taking place from the get go.
Food odors comprised of food will result in a food behavior, gland lures will result in that behavior, getting lures to ellict the same in each coyote, is the key. But there all not thinking the same thing at the same time.
To get a coyote to pull an m-44 and having a bait/ lure that will get that response a big% of the time in all conditions both weather and time of year, is tough. I can tell you that response is a conditioned thing, not just a curiosity in the coyote. There are some lures/baits that are worthless in that reguard. What ever in the lure/bait must trigger that pulling/ biting response, that triggers there brain to want to take it away from the area.
Test have shown that glucose or sugar based have the most attraction to coyotes, again I would say what time of year was this test conducted, not arguing the results, it is just that time of year plays into a coyotes diet, and also other factors play into attraction as well too. Is it denning season, mating season? A wet year, or in a drought? Natural prey base up or down.
In pursuing coyotes I don't think anything is a given, they can adapt and change with the best of them, and to keep adapting and thinking about the hows,why's and what's will make us all better. Good Luck TC35

[trappnman]

Go to the Logan site- its all there for you.

I am not going to debate the study results- thats up to the individual reader- they aren't MY studies- they are NEUTRAL studies.

You don't think animals are curious for curiousitys sake?

I do. I see it all the time- ask callers.

and there are probably 100s of trigger and trigger combinations out there- every prepared lure would be a new combination.

Curiosity killed the cat- and the coyote.