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Post by NEPISIGUIT on Sept 25, 2004 22:16:18 GMT -6
Just wondering about your thoughts on using a different lure from that previously used when resetting for k-9,s and if any difference from fox or coyote. I usually use the same lure on fox but since a remake for coyote may be in another close site, any preferances, or is it necessary to use any lure at all?
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 26, 2004 4:36:29 GMT -6
I don`t see any reason to change , or not change. It should make no difference. Only thing I would say is on grey fox or coyotes make sure you have a fresh set 5 feet off at all times, even if you have 7 rings in a row. Reds, just keep re-making the same trap even if you have to carry in some backing.
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Post by NEPISIGUIT on Sept 26, 2004 9:49:20 GMT -6
THANKS BOB. Just what i needed.Was not sure about moving coyote sets. your comments help
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Post by briankroberts on Sept 26, 2004 19:53:01 GMT -6
I always use the same lure/bait at a remake as I did when it was a new set, I also follow Bob's advice and have a fresh set close by, but I still catch a lot of yotes in remakes and think there a good attraction.....B.....
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 26, 2004 20:13:56 GMT -6
when I get up to 3 rings I always pull one for each fresh one I put in. I have gotten repeats in rings with coyotes the very next night, but more likely it is the fresh set or the old one after it cools out a day or three. I hate to have 4-6 sets at one spot unless summer trapping, just a safety thing for theft or monkeywrenching.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 26, 2004 21:15:29 GMT -6
I make no effort to relure with the orignal lures at remakes- if I do or don't, its random. I figure that any lure dug and/or scattered around the catch circle will be weak enough that it won't be the dominant odor at the set- so that your new lure, whether the same or not- will be the attractant and draw the attention.
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Post by Mark on Sept 26, 2004 22:10:40 GMT -6
For fox I always used whatever lure I had with me regardless of the original.
I don't have a lot of examples to talk form, but last year I caught a female in a step-down and remade it into a flat set and got a real big male the next day.
I had two other step-downs with-in about a 30 yard circle. My question is: why make a fresh set if I have a couple near-by anyway?
First let me say I am NOT questioning anyones methods. I am an old trapper, but a new coyote trapper. Curious minds want to know.
Mark
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Post by jim on Sept 27, 2004 3:21:37 GMT -6
Last year at maybe my longest distance to walk in about 1/3 mile already have caught four coyotes , I had a track in one of the catch circles,walked back got another trap and made a fresh set, next check a coyote in one of the orignal traps. You just never know. Jim
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 27, 2004 5:07:51 GMT -6
jim, that`s coyotes for you. Always making you do more work. About the time you think you have their number they invent new numbers.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 27, 2004 7:15:16 GMT -6
About the time you think you have their number they invent new numbers.
I like that!
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Post by Maineman on Sept 27, 2004 8:47:30 GMT -6
I try to use the same lures at remakes as I do on original sets...
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Post by blakcoyote on Sept 27, 2004 9:11:51 GMT -6
Whether I re-lure or not,same or different,is random for me too,just depends on my mood for the day I guess.But what I always do in a remake is rake up all the debri in the catch circle and put it in a pile where the hole use to be,and punch in another hole,with a stake and sometimes with the trowel,reset and bed the trap.
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Post by wheelie on Sept 27, 2004 10:53:53 GMT -6
Don't laugh, but I use remake lures after a catch.
I'll remake the set and use a curiousity lure instead of a food or gland lure that the set was origanally made with.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 27, 2004 11:35:25 GMT -6
yuk ;D yuk ;D yuk, ;Dyuk ;D yuk ;Dyuk ;D yuk. I don`t see any harm in it. Just couldn`t resist. Anyone that can 100 coyotes in underwater sets I`m not saying anytrhing about. (wheelie caught 100 last fall during the monsoons)
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Post by NEPISIGUIT on Sept 27, 2004 17:25:10 GMT -6
thanks for all your comments. They will help this fall.Can"t wait.
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Post by Stef on Sept 27, 2004 19:46:10 GMT -6
I relure with the same lure. Normally, I put less lure at remakes.
Stef
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Post by Zagman on Sept 28, 2004 5:53:53 GMT -6
This is the type of situation where I envy someone like Bob Wendt, using only one bait, one lure and urine. No need to write anything down....sure makes remembering which item to relure after a catch easier, don't it?
I have really narrowed down the numbers of lures and baits I use, and was only using RF Urine for coyotes, but then I got some 'cat urine as a change up.....and coyote urine for late season.
Last year, since I always at least make double sets, I was pulling into the location and setting the left set with one bait and lure, and setting the right set with another bait and/or lure....but even that started to falter, and I had to write things down. And a triple set would really throw a wrench into the mix......
Since I trap for a short time and am mostly trapping in the early season/pup/family group trapping/, I know I could get away with going the Bob Wendt method and not really change my numbers.....like Tman says, I am after Joe Average coyote, not any particular animal.....
....but how do you get the strength to do it? I am weak....
The ads in the magazines about the lures and all their wonderous abilities, the convention ritual of opening bottles and sticking them too close to your snout. The "fear" of single sourcing and missing some coyotes that just won't bite.....Stef calling my house at midnight and whispering "Use my lures or else" and hanging up....(in broken English, it is real scary sounding....)
Would love to just get a pint of red fox gland, and pint of bait, and a pint of urine in the lure pail and make every set the same......every one.
But, I am still too weak....
Is there a support group for this?
Zagman
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Post by 17HMR on Sept 28, 2004 6:53:48 GMT -6
Zag, LMAO I feel the same.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 28, 2004 7:39:08 GMT -6
Zags- do you feel it important to relure with the same lures?
'Cause if not, the simple...and I DO mean simple- solution to writin' and rememberin' is to not even worry about it- just grab the first bottle you come to for remakes...
actually, I do believe there might be a slight advantage to using different lures at remakes, w/o any real proof beyond I have good, continued successes at remakes.
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Post by Zagman on Sept 28, 2004 11:18:03 GMT -6
Nope, don't care one iota what I relure/re-bait with as it relates to what I originally put in the hole, unless I am testing something and what to give it a true and fair assessment......then, I think it important as to what I do......
More so than on remakes, using one or two things would make setting up much easier, as I write everything down....pain in the rear end.....but, it does give me some good data at the end of the season....
But even then, if I use, as an example, XLDC in the hole and urine, is that giving the XLDC a true, fair shake as to what attracted the animal?
Or, if I use RF gland lure with Stef's new bait, can I look you in the eye and say the bait is what did the trick alone?
I just see a lot of value in purchasing larger quanities of a couple of things and just rockin' and rollin'.....but I can't seem to do it.
Zag
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