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Post by Cliffy on Sept 16, 2004 18:40:28 GMT -6
trappincoyotes35
By forgiving I mean that if your out of position on the lock a little or your loop is a little misformed due to loading the the cam locks still slams closed nice.
The Doe had no catch circle and was caught in a 5 foot 3/32 snare with the cam lock and the 280# BAD. It was double staked with 24 inch 1/2 inch rebar.
Didn't seem to even slow this doe down, she ran, stopped to look back from out in the field about 70 yards then ran the rest of the way into the woods on the far side.
She didn't look to have any injuries of any kind and there was no blood on the snare. There was also no catch circle so it was more than likely she had not been there long at all.
Cliffy
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Post by BadDog on Sept 17, 2004 0:12:37 GMT -6
Good research and I have some others as well, states bascially what trappers know. Strange, everybody suddenly knows everything that the Alberta study entails. It was and is a truly ground-breaking study. It was done because a certain amount of ground needed and still needs to be broke in.The reason it exists, is because I exist! Trappers... make sure that you know what you got in your hands for a Break Away Device, or there's gonna be some dead critters on the ground that you might not necessarily want there. Here's a list of some BAD's that have proven themselves to be worthy with various applications on Coyotes. Amberg Release Ferrule DWRC Cam Lock with Shear Pin, three sizes Sullivans SHook 280# (claimed value) Hopkin's 90#, 110# 150# (claimed values) Snare Shop S-Hook One very important point to remember about BAD's, in particular the S-Hooks, is that the values they are rated at are not neccesarily accurate, in some cases are very, very inaccurate, and in some cases are ridiculously rated! I really don't have time for more. Sorry! I have a trapping season to prepare for and a numbers race to win! |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 17, 2004 5:50:43 GMT -6
Grond breaking in your area, but here in the U.S. Bad Dog we had studys done on break aways years back, we had evaluation of breakaway snares for use in coyote control by Robert Phillips,Sherman Blom and Richard Johnson. We had measuerment of pulling forces of wolves versus coyotes, Logan Field station.Last one was Evaluation of 3 types of snares for capturing coyotes. Again Rober Phillips conducted this study.This was done from 1992-1994 with the DWRC shear pin cam lock,Gregerson shear out lock, and the kelly amberg with pull off ferral. These are all good reads and good information as well, as your alberta study.
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Post by BadDog on Sept 17, 2004 6:44:58 GMT -6
The US studies were a nice start, I really liked the research done on pulling force values of various animals. But critical snare mechanical physics were assumed, not researched. Thus the big gaping holes.
Nice try at belittling Canadians! So what did you ever do?
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Post by Wackyquacker on Sept 17, 2004 7:57:59 GMT -6
Around this time last ytear I was asking for any study results relative to "s" BAD + springs. Someone had dropped to 110 lb, I think, and he thought that was where he needed to be. I certainly would llike to here what has be learned on this subject over the past season. Currently, I 'm using a sullivan and AMberg release ferrule on my cam locks...just to be real sure.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 17, 2004 15:28:04 GMT -6
Whoa slow down there Bad Dog, I wasn't belittling any body! I didn't know if you new of the other studies that have been done in the past, that is why I listed them. You made the statement ground breaking your study and research call it what you want, I was mearly pointing out that there have been other studies done on Bad's, and if you read at the bottom I wrote all good reads including your study, so I don't know where you get the belittling aspect.
As far as to some of the content, yes I new for along time that the heavier bad's where of no value in snaring done through my own research and common sense, and also that there is a big variance in breakage with the same product, because were not dealing with highly controlled product. It's galvined rod, and it will make a differance from production batch 1 to batch 2. Some complain of the cost of the DWRC lock, well thats because there is a closer tolerance in the manufacturing, and yet everyone wants to buy bad's for 2.50-5.00 a doz, I could get some rod and make up bad's and say there 350, thats the problem states are running into enforcing the laws of bad's who's shoulders does it lay on? The trapper or the manufacture?
There is alot to be done yet as far as this topic goes and I'm sure it will be ongoing, as I hear we will have a BMP on snaring what form it takes has yet to be determined.
As far as what has been done in the U.S. DWRC id top of the line when it comes to there studies of candis and all it consumes, but there under a budget and while yes your 100% correct they didn't take into account snare physics and all the variables, I'm sure at the time they did with what they where budgeted with well.
Your study adds to the whole process, and will see what the future holds, I do know if we are not resonsable snare people we won't have to worry about anymore studies, as we won't have snaring around too worry about it.
Your last talking point, what have I done? I do my job everyday, and enjoy it emensly, I feel like one of the luckiest people to go to work and enjoy it each and everyday, I will leave it that.
You got to lighten up a little Bad Dog I'm meant no ill being ;D
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