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Post by mattjones298 on Sept 8, 2004 23:37:20 GMT -6
i stayed out of the dog pointing post but it got me to thinking about pullouts and the trap (setting) after a canine fires the trap.
i know some run short chains that are on here and some run longer chains and some run damn long over 30 inches of chain.
it is my guess that 75% of canine loss happens in the first 20 seconds that the trap is on the animal
what length of chain do you run and why do you feel that it`s best
matt
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Post by blakcoyote on Sept 9, 2004 0:15:30 GMT -6
I normally run 14-18 inches of chain,because I feel it keeps a coyote from getting enough leaverage to pump the stake out by jumping up the way they ,do but not enough to give them lenght for momentum when they make the lunge, which I feel is when most pull outs occur when they first get caught.Although a hind foot catch which happens from time to time,I feel is hard to hold,and I usually shoot them from a distance when I first notice there caught that way.I single stake everything here with rebar anywhere from 24"-30" stakes.Our ground here is pretty hard after the first 6" and you'll wear your arm out driving double stakes.I have never had trap stake pull out yet.And most times I'll have to get a vise-grip on them to pull them out by twisting.
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Post by Edge on Sept 9, 2004 4:32:48 GMT -6
I run,from the trap,4 links of #3,aCP swivel,4 more links and another CP swivel.
That length is the best mix for me because it is short enogh,but not so short I cant set the trap on my knee,and long enough,but not soo long I worry about lunging.
With the end swivel I can use a 1/4"quick link to go to another swivel on a grapple,or a rivet to go to a cable stake or "8"loop and rebar.
When I change out trps(old tired iron)I keep all the chains,they last for many years,and with the same set up on all traps,it dont matter where they go.
Edge
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Post by bubcat on Sept 9, 2004 4:48:31 GMT -6
I like 8 ft with a grapple on the end. ;D A) plenty of free play for those initial lunges. B) Lets the coyote get out of sight C) Doesn't tear up my set location. And I get so I hate making noise when I'm in the woods. I'm not hit and run. I'm on the same ground, whittling down the same group of coyotes. I'm pretty sure after 4 out of 6 have cashed in, the last two have caught on to what TUNK, TUNK, TUNK means, echoing through the woods.  |
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Post by jsevering on Sept 9, 2004 5:02:43 GMT -6
my chain length is more or less in direct relation to the size trap and the mods, performed on the trap.
most no.2 and 3 traps have factory length chain a t bar and two added links with a swivel and split ring on the end, to allow for easy quick set ups, between staking or attaching to a drag, or just to allow for quick changing out of the trap.
I still run a short chain on 1.75 traps with the addition of a t bar, ect which gives them about six more inches or so, so I guess my short chain set up grew to twelve inches more or less.
really like the t bar, figured they saved me some fur, know some think there a waste of time, but for me and the lunging, ect., it gives me comfort having one more item working for me......jim
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Post by Maineman on Sept 9, 2004 5:11:11 GMT -6
Unless I'm on a drag, I moodify my traps with a short chain...
Trap-Swivel-link-link-Swivel-link-link-Swivel
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Post by trappnman on Sept 9, 2004 6:08:42 GMT -6
I like short chains- if you use small traps, you need short chains 10-12 inches or so.
All my traps getting new chain this year- swivel, 8 links, swivel, double coupler.
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Post by BK on Sept 9, 2004 6:21:25 GMT -6
I always felt perhaps long chains were more popular in the West? But then again lots of longspring traps are still set out there, and I never felt coyotes could hit the end of the chain as well with a LS trap.
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Post by wheelie on Sept 9, 2004 6:41:02 GMT -6
I like a Short chain
From Trap almost like MainmansSwivellink SwivelSwivel
Not much room for a big lunge.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 9, 2004 7:54:13 GMT -6
ditto to wheelie, the j hook swivel on the trap, 2 links and a double swivel and then either a lap link set up for single or double stake. 6" max- no losses or nearly no losses, basically unmeasurable loss, and more important to live OR fur trappers, no foot damage, no dislocated shoulders or hip joints on hind foot catches.
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Demoman...
North Louisiana
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Post by Bayou on Sept 9, 2004 10:01:02 GMT -6
#2 Bridger-swivel--3links-swivel-3or4links-swivel/stake
#1.65/1.75 -swivel-3links-swivel-3links-JC.sspring-
swivel-stake.
Most my cable stakes have 3 links chain that comes on Bridger#2s on end loop.
All my k9 traps chain is welded link,mostly 3 some 2.
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Post by Mallard on Sept 9, 2004 10:09:25 GMT -6
I don't know how you 4" chain folks even set them. My ground is way to soft for compressing the levers on the ground, and my hands just won't do it without a knee or something.
I ended up with what I consider to be the shortest set up that still allows me to set on my knee. I think this ended up being 11" with S L L L S L L L S. Another thing I have to consider is letting a few bobctas go each season, and I just can't imagine only having 4-6" to play with. Hell......I'm bloody enough after releasing them, having 11" to play with. lol.
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Post by coydog on Sept 9, 2004 10:31:40 GMT -6
I like a long enough chain so I can get the darn trap on my knee to set when the ground is muddy.
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 9, 2004 10:51:17 GMT -6
mallard and coydog, it is a simple deal to set your trowel or hammer on the ground under the trap frame to set a strong 4 coil in soup mud, on a 4" chain.
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Post by Maineman on Sept 9, 2004 11:00:05 GMT -6
I like a long enough chain so I can get the darn trap on my knee to set when the ground is muddy. Why not set it before staking it...  I forget who it was but someone on here pre-sets a ton of traps prior to opening day and drives to their sets with traps set and stacked in the back...Doing it just prior to staking has got to be easier than thet... |
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Post by mattjones298 on Sept 9, 2004 11:06:57 GMT -6
i wondered how you set them bob on those short rigs. there are afew coyote traps i set with my feet. the coyote cuffs the mb650 and the mj600 and the jake trap i can just set faster with my feet and i don`t go home with a bruesed hand... i know, go ahead and laugh...i aint ashamed of it.
dont go saying overkill bob wendt or i`ll slap ya up side the head with an aluminum sifter...lol as you know i would 8 coil my coyote traps if i could figure out how ;D
matt
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Post by coydog on Sept 9, 2004 11:12:53 GMT -6
Why not set it before staking it...
Im talkin after a catch.
Even on a fresh set pre-setting wouldnt work for me, Im a bad aim with the hammer ;D
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Post by bobwendt on Sept 9, 2004 11:55:48 GMT -6
you put the hammer under the trap as a solid base to press on , not hit the dang thing. And if you go to the beach in tights be sure and put the potato in the front and not the back or folks will point and laugh and it just will attract zero women at all.  |
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Post by coydog on Sept 9, 2004 11:59:57 GMT -6
put the potato in the front and not the back or folks will point and laugh
Ahhh, thats what my problem has been.
I still prefer a 20" chain, no matter how much you pull it ;D
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Post by Maineman on Sept 9, 2004 12:22:09 GMT -6
;D ;D ;D
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