Coyotes-

[trappnman]

the older dogs seem to start forming a pattern with their traveling. certain type sets along with certain attractors and unnatural baits that produced good, go cold for me. (not completly dead, but cold)


Did they START this pattern...or were they always in it?

Perhaps these same coyotes were always going by your sets- some always do it seems.

More importantly- as you take the population down, the remaining- be it pup or gnarly veteran, gets spookier.

Many times, move to the next farm- and the same coyotes that were avoiding sets- don't. Same sets, etc.

Or as Matt does- pull out for a few weeks and return...all is forgiven....

I'm not saying your theroy isn't correct- it probably is. Just pointing out there could be some other causes to the whys.

[vttrapper]

j severing,

I am of the same mind. My first week of long lining many baits and lures work well. My second week is in December and it is a different story. Trail sets, subtle flats and different lures seem to fit the bill. And in December seems I get a few more adults than pups.

frank

[jsevering]

Steve,
usally from the last week of november on Im trapping with the aid of snow, might say I witness it develope,or for arguement sake redevelope, hence the theory, because, I cant read there minds.lol.

once I set an area after the first two weeks, of the easier pickin pre- hunting season dispersal.
"hunting" which I feel helps disrupt along with myself and a few other trappers in the area, the core family areas of a few groups, leaving temporary voids.

I usally settle in after two weeks, cut one loop, continue the other two with a mixed line until seasons end.

Dont really witness the pattern develope until or around the second week after rifle season closes, I do trap through rifle season and find the travel patterns in the areasI trap to be more random.

Im not saying some locations may not have a spooky stand off type or two, through out, but dont witness the every other day or so, for lack of a better word, circuts develope or redevelope.

I also notice a lack of interest in certain sets\attractors more than others, dont know if its because they would prefer a warmer meal or knaw on stinky ice so to speak.

for me its been, if you dont try and stay ahead of them developing along with developing in areas, with the local\pysical conditions that cause\caused that particular condition of development, for the remainder of the season (I always seem to be at least three days behind) you better do that much better on the water portion of the line to pay the gas bill or momma's gonna make you pull.

(not saying that some of the what ifs youve presented in your post also dont happen to me, god knows they do)...jim

[trappnman]

Good posts!

playing devils advocate..... in the first two weeks- you naturally would catch more pups. There are more pups out there. And it sounds as if pups are, overall, easier to take than adults. sooooo-

you trap for 2 weeks- and you are taking mostly pups.

after the 2 weeks- you have a more balanced population or indeed a population tilted toward more adults.

Therefore, you would catch more adults.

BTW- How do you guys determine adults?

[vttrapper]

Remember the E-Mans post on ageing coyotes by their teeth. Thats how I do it.

frank

[Edge]

**Remember the E-Mans post on ageing coyotes by their teeth. Thats how I do it.**

Not me;Heres how I do it.


Well,like say I catch a coyote tomorrow am,thurs,if I skin it then,it will be a "new" coyote;some people call them "fresh":I have smelled them;"fresh"is not a word that comes to mind.
Say I skin the same yote on "friday"instead;it is a "day old"coyote......and on and on.

I cannot believe I am the only person to use this method.

Edge

[trappnman]