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Post by Edge on Aug 10, 2004 7:35:30 GMT -6
I pre-baited(more of a test)a few spots,and while I did so,installed a few cable stakes to see how they held up over time.
The bait was heavily dug at and is totally gone,but what the surprise was is that on 2 locations(only a mile apart)the chain on the cable was chewed(yotes)and they were also dug at...........
Interrogative forthe day:Why the hell would a yote chew a chain..........?Cuz it was in a digging frenzy?PO'd from last year?REALLY hungry?Has an anger management problem?
This one has me stumped.They were not puppy-chewed,it was carved on.Happily,I still cannot retrieve the stake by hand.
Edge
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Post by BK on Aug 10, 2004 8:06:40 GMT -6
That is wild,........did you have any dip on the cable?
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Post by a1foxhopper on Aug 10, 2004 8:26:56 GMT -6
Are you sure you didn't nick your chain with that fancy 6.00 axe when you were pounding in your stakes! LOL ;D
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Post by blakcoyote on Aug 10, 2004 9:31:19 GMT -6
Maybe with all the digging they raked the chain,and tried to get at it figuring it was where the scent was coming from,cince they probably had a snoot full of scent.Or just because it was there and had nothing else to chew on at the set after finding it from scratching.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 10, 2004 13:42:14 GMT -6
Since they had time on their hands after digging the bait- they investigated the OTHER odor at the set- the cable stakes.
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Post by dj88ryr on Aug 10, 2004 15:04:55 GMT -6
Since they had time on their hands after digging the bait- they investigated the OTHER odor at the set- the cable stakes. This may further the theory that I have, that is, that lots of lure is the way to go for me, I believe it is important to over power their senses with scent, that way they are not considering the other subtle scents ie. cable stakes, traps, etc. |
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Post by Edge on Aug 10, 2004 19:23:19 GMT -6
**Maybe with all the digging they raked the chain,and tried to get at it figuring it was where the scent was coming from,cince they probably had a snoot full of scent.Or just because it was there and had nothing else to chew on at the set after finding it from scratching. **
Bingo,my friend,you win the kewpie doll.
In order to expose the chain,they *had* to dig out the bait,yet the only scent on the chain itself was unscented wax......still,by association,it got mauled.
Cool stuff!And good to know.
As far as odorous trapping paraphernalia,this aint my first rodeo.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Aug 10, 2004 19:31:40 GMT -6
As far as odorous trapping paraphernalia,this aint my first rodeo.
so if I understand you correctly- you are confident that these chain/cable/fastener setups had no odor detectable to a coyote?
I can't even get my traps like that. I haven't a doubt in the world that the coyotes smell my dyed/waxed traps- I just try to catch them while they are sniffing my lures, not my traps.
In test sets with traps blocked so the would not fire- I again have no doubt that a majority of them would get dug up after the lure had satisfied their interest.
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Post by Edge on Aug 10, 2004 19:40:43 GMT -6
**had no odor detectable to a coyote?**
Absolutely,I think a coyotes nose can detect wet in a desert,however,the odor of wax,"should" have been overpowered by the bait,and the chain was subsurface,aside of the bait,until digging commenced.
Thus,i dont think it was transferred odor,but newness,proximity and availability that got it chewed up.
Kinda wierd that a coyote would chew a chain is what interested me.
And also,I could be totally wrong.But its still cool.
Edge
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Post by Steve Gappa on Aug 10, 2004 19:46:57 GMT -6
Don't you think it occured like this...?
1) cooyte approached set and went up to lure holes.
2) dug around and messed with lure holes
3) THEN smelled chain, cable
4) young coyotes play with shotgun shells, bones, feathers, skins, etc...why not chain...dig at then pull on and chew..?
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Post by Edge on Aug 10, 2004 19:56:27 GMT -6
Um,no.
I think the chain was located by digging,not smelling....however,once it was located,it became the focus point;prolly cuz the bait was gone by then.
Only one hole,about Mattock deep and wide,with paste bait that reeks.
And dont ask whats in the bait,cuz I dont know........bait stuff I guess.........
Edge
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Post by Rob220swift on Aug 10, 2004 20:47:32 GMT -6
Coyote: S&M tendencies, hence attraction to chain once found. Chewing on chain, demonstrates masochistic predeliction of Coyote that was a "mama's boy as a young pup. Oedepius complex may be part of complex animal behavior in event coyote kills his father and runs off with mom. Sigmund Fruend.
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Post by Rob220swift on Aug 10, 2004 20:49:18 GMT -6
Sorry guys, long day and a brief moment of madness.  |
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Post by dj88ryr on Aug 10, 2004 21:00:38 GMT -6
Sounds like you need a drink LOL
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Post by Edge on Aug 10, 2004 21:24:13 GMT -6
Always a new line of thought from Rob.........
DJ,re amount of lure used,I once was a drop or so user of lure(remeber when they "came" with droppers?)
And while I may not use a "dollop",I intend to try a larger volume of lure this year,mainly due to extended checks.
If this practice pans out,I have no problem upping my lure orders.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Aug 10, 2004 21:49:59 GMT -6
think the chain was located by digging,not smelling
playing WileyE...why?
Or more accurately...if you think the coyote has no problem smelling the chain..what would lead you to the conclusion he uncovered chain by digging (accident) rather than smelling it and THEN digging?
Not to be a SA- but would like to hear your reasons...
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Post by Edge on Aug 10, 2004 22:19:47 GMT -6
The end of the chain was aside the hole,but sub-surface.
During the digging for the bait process,the chain became exposed;it was a victim of opportunity.
The cable/chain assembly is 23" long,it was driven in 36" and purposely adjacent to the hole.
I would have thought the yote would find the cable and ditch...........if for no other reason than it had no right to be there;but instead the yote showed no intimidation; or proclivity to ignore the cable;it ws chewed with a vengeance.
Sooooo,the next time I obsess about a piece of grapple chain left exposed.......I will try not to care.
Now,one could also safely surmise that the yote got bait stink *on* the chain,during the digging process,causing the interest in the chain........but i think the stink would have been spent by the time it hit the first link of chain.
Again,I could be wrong,but I will still rest easier knowing I have for some reason,left a little chain exposed.
Edge
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