Ki-yute Question

[woody]

Do Ki-yutes travel far from the denning area during summer

Do Ki-yutes have an area that they use as a potty that you find scat at??? or do they go where ever they fill the need? I know that my labs have certain places in the yard that they go potty at at yotes similar to dogs? Matt, Bob W. can you shed some light on this since you have raised yotes.

The reason I am asking is, I was out walking Five Point John's line today with hime and we seen very little sign on his places to trap. we did find one pair of tracks and scat at each place, but with the habitat and prey there, there should have been way more sign then we found today. thanks woody

[dj88ryr]

You didn't clarify,...were you in a denning area?

[FivePointsJohn]

Just like Woody said we were looking at a lot of good locations also. And I know that things will change as it gets closer to season too. I haven't heard of any disease going through. 2 years ago I got 1 mangey fox but that one was the last one. But I just don't see why I don't have a larger K9 pop. I bought out 1of my competition and the other guy water traps. Enlighten us guys. John

[FivePointsJohn]

DJ no. Will maybe this is the first time out this year. John

[dj88ryr]

My experience pales compared to others here, but I have seen areas with a good amount of scat and not a lot of other desirable features, I always figured these to be social areas, on the fringe of their core area. I have seen scat along trails too, so my social area theory could be all wet. LOL

[woody]

lets call the properties 1,2,3,4

on 1, we see scat on a drive way back to the old barn yard

2 no sigh

on 3, we found scat on the edge of the road and tracks in the mud along the road and in the bean field about 7 to 9 rows in. also we found diggings along a fence row.

on 4, we seen scat on a rock at a culvert. and a digging out in the middle of a bean field.

to be honest I think the properties are fringe areas and the stone quarry is the core John might explain alot. I just thought of that. well that might work for 2 and 3 maybe for 1, but 4 is to far from the quarry to be included in that area.

[717 Yards]

John, Did you get out and look for main travel ways after the season or sit home and watch football games??
I could show you a lot of places that look good but arent. One of my better spots is nothing more then a little ditch that runs through a big open field. Weather there's corn or beens in that field the yotes run that ditch. "Matt"

[woody]

There ya go John, Skippy was listening to us, while we were out there walking around the committ was made that Skippy should come down before the Reg. C meet in Oct. and do a walk about with John ;D it would only be an extra 40 miles south for ya and he could use your expertice what ya say skippy you and nick could really help him out, a lot bette then I did today ;D

[FivePointsJohn]

Skippy I did get out a little. I did find 3 travel ways that I thought were there. Still seams that there should be more. I am going to try to get more farms close to the stone quarry to set. Also farm 1 and 4 are only a mile away from a 4 lane highway. I would think that it would be a natural barrier. Would they run the sides of that Eating road kill?

[trappnman]

I have heard- and this is not written in stone but my summation of what I have heard and read...that in many cases- coyotes use the denning areas only for denning.

[Edge]

That kinda makes sense,TMan,never really thought of it before now.

Edge

[woody]

OK is it possible that they are still denning

[mainetrappa]

It really comes down to food. During the denning period yotes raise their young where there is an abundance of food. I believe this falls into their "core" area, a female yote needs excess amounts of protein while she is nursing. I trap an area that has a denning location right in the middle of it. It produces well during the season. In the fall I believe coyotes must move around more to find food, which in turn makes their home range larger.
This is just what I have observed.

[Edge]

I would think the core area is more for security than food,but I dont know........the dens I know of are in yote territory,but in wierd locations relative to their fall hangouts.

Edge

[mattjones298]

the coyotes i raised sniffed and smelled around about like dogs do before going. no real pattern to it.

as far as planning a trapline by summer time tracks, you cant do it. coyotes have it easy now and dont travel much. when i`m looking over new ground in summer afew tracks are nice but what i look for are locations for setting come fall.

matt

[MRussell]

So when you guys find an area in the fall that has a lot of scat what is the primary set? Flat or scent post I would guess. I found an old field road off of the beaten path and it is mostly dirt with some red gravel patches here and there. This thing is loaded with scat and tracks. How would you guys set it?

[coydog]

Have you tried going out at night with a siren or howler?
True, they may not stay there, but you can get a pretty good idea how many are out there, and where they may disperse from.

[trappnman]

If you are in farm country- the solution is very simple...ask the farmer.

He hears them....he sees them.....he knows where they were in the spring, summer and fall.

I do see a big difference in sign from season to season. I see a ton more sign NOW than I ever do in Fall.

Being out most days- I see more coyote sign that I sometimes can believe - granted, coyotes are like anything else- a few can leave a lot of sign...but I do see a lot of sign...at least tracks.

Don't seem to see much scat this time of year unless in selected locations. I imagine the corn fields, the tall grass- hide a lot of that.

I think seeing sign is one of those things that increases as your experience increase. Years ago, I never saw much sign at all it seemed..but now I know where to look and what to look for....

In any case- learning to find the travel lanes is the key- sort of like sitting on a stand deerhunting- if you wait, they will show up.

Again...use the farmers as your guides- talking to them, wil lshow what farms and nearby farms have yotes....map these spots out...and look for the connections.

[FivePointsJohn]

Thanks guys For the great replied. Lots of good info. As far as talking to the farmers goes I'm luky to have grown up here and know or have worked for them all at one time or another. And I like to loaf a the same restaurant as they do (when I have time). I'll talk to them and ask where they are seeing them. Another good scout is my mail man. He lets me know when he see them too. John