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Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2004 22:05:05 GMT -6
bobcats will rub caster and greys will rub the ground even if the caster is down a deep hole, I think before even digging or attempting to get to it. Havn`t seen that in reds or coyotes. Sure mis our feisty greys. Havn`t had any to speak of for about 15 years now, and once were common here.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 23, 2004 22:21:57 GMT -6
Don't know if it is related or not, but the disappearance of greys hapened about the same time as the spotted skunks demise.
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Post by z on Jul 23, 2004 22:44:11 GMT -6
Steve, Had 3 sets with Guard hair in the jaws snapped off this past season.... All at differant locations, All with the same lure...... I have my theory as to why and this will be tested this season.......Maybe sometimes "Less is best"! Remember lot of rainfall, rainfall-high humidity........ Did I say A LOT of rainfall? I have a ? for Matt,Doc, Steve or whoever......Coyotes roll, I know this, Least mine do. Do you feel after observing caged coyotes the females react differantly to certain smells then the males. I'm not talking about bait, piss, gland etc. Commercial lure only......... Do you feel the rolling instinct is more distinct with the males, especially the adults??? Is the animal wanting to get the smell on him or his smell on it? Z
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 23, 2004 22:57:42 GMT -6
you got me. I quit using lure to trap coyotes about 15 years ago, just bait and pee since then and no problemo!
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Post by mattjones298 on Jul 23, 2004 23:36:26 GMT -6
bob, you did not quit using lure, you just went from the thin 4 oz type to the thick gallon easy to use type...lol
i use the thick gallon type myself at 100% of my hole type sets, but i also still use the 4 oz bottle type just to add another smell every now and then.
as far as coyotes rolling, i`ve seen wild ones roll in fish, they all will male or female, tame or wild. the fish can be fresh or rotten or cooked it dont matter they love to roll in fish.
i`ve taken camp ground coyotes that have ivory soap all over the under side of there necks and farm country coyotes with tractor grease the same way.
most rotten meat and anything with good castor.
fowl....chicken or turkey, they love to roll in that stuff. atleast tame ones do....i use the word tame loosely
while i`m on tame ones fudge brownies get flopped on and nose scooted right up there with the best rolling on stuff.
i just think coyotes roll on anything that smells stronger then they do and it`s just instinct like with yard dogs and cow poop. some things trigger it better then others and it`s just another thing they do that gets them killed if a man figures out how to use it to kill them.
matt
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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2004 8:06:51 GMT -6
Maybe thats how your coyotes have all those peglegs Z- they are rolling arond snapping off limbs left and right.....
Sure coyotes roll. But..but...I personally think they don't roll as much a some think.
no scientific answers- but 2 quick observational points:
1) 100% of the coyotes I get are clean and smell like cooytes. None smell like my dog when hes rolled in something. Never got a coyote that smelled like skunk either-so if this habit was that ingrained, SOME would smell like...well, you know ;D I personally think dogs, being domesticized, for some reason roll more. I also think coyotes roll more in scents they are unfamilar with- such as fish lures and bait.
An animal that has rotted down to almost nothing- sure, I can see that invoking a response--.
2) I don't trap as many coyotes as some of you, but I do try hard...and I very seldom see signs of rolling- and in my usually dry dusty country, I would.
Even on sets checked when frozen, sets covered with tracks- no rolling. Even in snow- checking traps in snow on missed animals- no sign of rolling.
Now- occasionally I'll see where one is snapped by what I think are CRAWLING animals- and thats more fox- I even caught a gray once by the chest fur.
But rolling? Its just not a problem and has never been a problem. Its a factor I don't even think about.
And if ANYONE would get rolling based on "too much lure"...it would be me.
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Post by BK on Jul 24, 2004 14:17:57 GMT -6
Just a couple more cents worth here,.........In the late 70's I bought some fox urine that was bad, I had a lot of trouble with fox rolling, ( I sprayed my sets at that time.) As soon as I got differen't urine the problem was over.
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Post by z on Jul 24, 2004 18:48:28 GMT -6
Ya think? ! Zz!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 24, 2004 19:28:27 GMT -6
Tman, with all due respect dry dusty country, is poor observation in my area of SD. It has been hard finding coyote tracks or any other sign, as the wind ,sheep, cattle etc, make sign almost non exsistant. The hard pan gumbo is even worse like concrete, unless you have a kill and some drag marks to go by it is tough tracking a coyote in dry dusty enviroment in my area due to the wind that blows, more than not. I go by rancher sitings and what they hear at night as a general staring point and call first then set traps, with out sign it is alot tougher for sure. As I stated coyotes are individual and not all react the same but coyotes do roll more than one thinks, Matt is on the same line of thought and observation as I, again it depends on lure type, set type and temp, here when it is 107* outside you will have more rolling, I like flat sets and grub stake sets in the summer, with a good lure made for this kind of temp and more even response. I tried some JJF from high country control this summer and have caught quite a few coyotes with it. Urine would be great but tough to use at this time of year with cattle and sheep out on summer range where I'm trying to trap the buggers, urine is a livestock magnet, as well as anything with a fish base.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2004 20:07:50 GMT -6
My dust and your dust are 2 different things- trust me o nthat! Last time I was tracking in your dust- I identified jackrabbit tracks as coyote tracks...to Wiley no less..... The above not withstanding...I'm pretty observant on my turf... My dust is tilled fields, black loam...tracks and sign are readily visible in patterns and sets. As I said- I know coyotes roll- just never had a problem with it, and don't even think/worry about it- it happens so seldom for me with my lures, my type of sets.
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