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Post by Stef on Jul 24, 2004 13:36:11 GMT -6
BobW says he uses urine and commercial bait MattJ says he doesn't like using urine with commercial bait The list can go on & on.... Anyway, both of these guys seem to do well so... Where's the problem  Stef |
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Post by woody on Jul 24, 2004 14:15:54 GMT -6
Stef, I thinks its a Mental one ;D urine with bait, urine w/o bait, lure only, lure and bait w/o urine, lure, bait and urine. I think its a mental state of mind as to how you use the combo or not.
I personally last season used bait and an LDC, that was it. I quit using the urine do to the deer in the area destoying my sets. this season I am going 90% lure with a few sets with the lure,bait, and urine deal and a few sets with the lure and bait, since I still have some left from last season.
I think at times we as trappers get to caught up in the how to thing that we forget the hey that worked thing. ;D just at thought. woody
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 24, 2004 14:20:39 GMT -6
ha, no problems steff, just different strokes for different folks. Only a problem if a guy isn`t catching! Same deal on gas prices, only an issue if you aren`t catching. My bet is either matt or I could catch the same numbers if each was forced to use the other guys methods. Or for that matter, all lure, and no bait or pee. Just personal preferences. Like a women, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Of course a red haired dame gets first looks as a rule, at least with me. Matt says he`s not picky as long as they really are women , like natural born women!
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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2004 17:33:11 GMT -6
As the Great Bard said "Presentation is 90% of canine trapping"
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 24, 2004 17:50:26 GMT -6
where can I find this here" bard" and gain more wisdom?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2004 18:16:10 GMT -6
He comes and goes...sometimes is more bard like than others.....  |
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Post by mattjones298 on Jul 24, 2004 20:48:25 GMT -6
i`m with bob on this one, it just boil`s down to how you want to put your scent down, and where you think a coyote will step.
everyone has there own methods and no right or wrong way if a man is busy skinning or (caging) coyotes.
i think the biggest secret is keeping your traps firing in any weather and keeping a smell there. like bob, i count on bait and peat.
matt
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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2004 20:52:31 GMT -6
I'll have to give peat a try- if it cuts down on remaking- it wikll be worth it... to be honest, it seems too good to be true...like my magic polishing cloth......
If it wasn't for the caliber of trappers promoting its use...I wouldn't even consider it.
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Post by Stef on Jul 24, 2004 21:00:18 GMT -6
Steve, its not bullet proof but even after a good rain and suddenly a good freeze... most traps will work.
Most of the time, when its time to remake the sets after a bad rain etc... just take out the top dress and ½ inch of peat and you'll be in business. All the bottom part of the peat will be still dry.
I know Matt uses calcium chloride under the trap to prevent freeze down.
What I use and it worked well... I put peat in trap bed, spray with glycol than bed trap and cover.
No wet spot on pattern.
Just have to learn how to work with.
Stef
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Post by mattjones298 on Jul 24, 2004 21:28:58 GMT -6
steve, there are problems with peat you wont like.
wind
peat moss buggers
digging in from the side
grey fox tracks at edge of pattern
some re-makes look like crap
and other things
matt
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Post by trappnman on Jul 24, 2004 21:48:09 GMT -6
LOL- now I really want to try it!
I think I'l lbe using it mostly in your cow pasture set and in the stepdowns- eons ago when I used peat moss last, I had much less ability and didn't know about stepdowns.
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Post by Bri on Jul 24, 2004 22:23:31 GMT -6
Matt a half inch of waxed dirt and a light coat of the set areas surrounding dirt over the waxed dirt will normally keep the peat from blowing out.
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Post by bobwendt on Jul 25, 2004 8:30:20 GMT -6
I top dress the peat with only maybe 1/32" of dirt to hold it down, camo a little and keep it where I want it. I don`t like antifreeze anywhere but on top of that last top dress of dirt, as any salt or calcium chloride sucks water and will wet the peat from underneath. Anything wet will freeze, air and dry matter will not freeze, only water. the various salts only prevent freezing down intro the upper teens anyway, after that you must depend on dry dry dry.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2004 9:30:51 GMT -6
Bob- do you use many flat sets- and if so- do you use peat at them?
I would think- if you have peat to use- that broadcasting it around the flat set would eliminate any standoffisness?
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Post by Stef on Jul 25, 2004 9:39:03 GMT -6
Bob I know what you mean with your way of "antifreezing" your sets.
At dirt hole, stepdown sets etc... I don't care if I have a wet antifreeze look pattern.
Problem starts with scent post and flat sets with wet looking pattern.
This is why, I don't want a quit using peat moss but this year will be my first season using waxed dirt and I made some testing already and that stuff seems to be awesome!
I will use that stuff almost exclusively at scent post-flat or well blended trail set.
If it rains on peat, you'll have to re-do everything once in while. Waxed dirt won't absorb water...nothing nothing nothing!
Just have to cover trap with a little "angle" on top and all the water or melted snow will go on the side of the trap bed.
If I top dress the waxed dirt with 1/32 inch of native earth.... I won't need antifreeze there!
Stef
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Post by mattjones298 on Jul 25, 2004 9:42:23 GMT -6
bri, i top dress in weather thats not down in the low teens like bob said. just a thin coat of dry dirt. and cloride.
in single digets, i run all peat in a step down. nothing on top. a step down helps with blowing wind and stops coyotes from wanting to dig into the hole from the side as they aint to crazy sometimes about stepping on plain peat but some will. the step down gets them all as if the set is made correctly that first step into the the set is all you need them to take. my trap pan is the lowest and flatest part of the set.
stef, i like glycol also if early to mid season when the weather gets above freezing in daylight and then falls into the 20`s at night. i think alot of trappers miss coyotes at this time due to a thin crust on the trap pattern while coating with or using plain dirt. i know i have.
now like everyone has said, if it rains and it`s not just a flood, the peat will still be over your trap and dry in the middle where your trap is, just wet on top and bottom.
if it is still to wet to remake that next day i just coat the top of the sets with a libaral amount of glycol and re-(lure) on anything out of water and go on to the next set.
here is why i do it. so i can still get payed that week.
if your long line trapping and have 100 or more sets out. you just cant re-make in one day. three days is more like it . like i have said before the secret to coyote trapping is keeping a smell there and traps firing. so every rained out set gets re-lured and glycol untill i have time to get back and remake the set right.
sometimes it rains every 3 days....you just have to fight it. i`ve seen guys just snap there traps and wait untill it drys up enough to remake. i love these type guys around me as i`ll have there coyotes and gone while they wine about the weather.
i keep a good top quality rain jacket and bibs behind the truck seat. i`m a commercial fishermen by trade and feel comfortable in it.
i learned along time ago to (never) snap a trap off unless it`s going with me. if it`s still set i can still get (lucky) if it`s snapped i cant.
matt
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Post by Stef on Jul 25, 2004 9:47:45 GMT -6
;D Funny Matt that you said that. My best coyotes catches are usually made in the worst weather a trapper can dream  Stef |
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Post by trappnman on Jul 25, 2004 9:50:53 GMT -6
I could not agree more- I've never caught anything yet from a trap sitting in the truck. I also have learned- that is you see something your SHOULD set on...take the time and do it.
I am going to try it this year- I am worst one at trying new things...but the evidence is overwhelming concerning the advantages of peat- so..why not join em? LOL
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