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Post by jsevering on Jul 15, 2004 17:10:07 GMT -6
I have about a fifty\ fifty or so catch most years, coyotes\foxes (reds and greys)
Dont go out of my way to do anything different, target sets for the coyotes but, want all the fur that visit my sets, including cats.
think alot of people get stuck with it has to be this way or that and dont think about actual trap, guide and lure placement\placements as it pertains to the actual set and how there more than likly, with alittle help gonna get worked the way you want them to.
Think if you set with coyotes only in mind you'll be missing some fox and visa versa...jim
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Post by coydog on Jul 15, 2004 17:27:49 GMT -6
Well, I think it has a lot to do with the style of sets this trapper uses. Some coyote trappers dont crowd hard, some do. Some dont set tight to attractors, others do. Hard tellin, but for the heck of it Ill say, I couldnt agree or disagree ;D
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Post by Stef on Jul 15, 2004 17:39:44 GMT -6
I agree with 37
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Post by Bayou on Jul 15, 2004 18:33:07 GMT -6
Buzzz, Although it took some time & trial &error,studying& talking to others,If a trapper wants to he can modify a 1.65 or 1 3/4 to hold grays w/ near zero damage & hold most any coyote around.
coyote 37 pretty much sumed it up on the ?.
Now, Is average coyote harder to catch than average fox or vice versa? from my observations down here thats way it is,maybe different other locations.
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Post by chub618 on Jul 15, 2004 18:49:44 GMT -6
for us rookies,,, how much different is the trap placement betwen the two? i think t-man made a comment to me about 2 months ago wich was" where the nose goes so does the toes" so i figure if you dig a steep angled dirthole and croud the whole you should be able to take both, is this correct or not?
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 15, 2004 18:50:14 GMT -6
I once heard Johnny Thorpe say in regards to trap placement...
"The coyote specialists always set their trap back...but if you are trapping for a living, you want every God@$&* thing that visits the set. So set tight to the hole."
Steve, I think a flat set is a flat set is a flat set. The only difference is how close one sets the trap to the attractor. They are blended!! Regarding dirtholes, it just seems like the western coyote men (and some eastern ones) like big flashy holes and fox men like small holes with small patterns.
Jim Severing had a good post on this. Whenever you are targeting one species, you will miss some of the others.
Any species seems easy when it is an incidental.
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Post by mt on Jul 15, 2004 20:09:27 GMT -6
In the areas where we only expect fox we will hold the trap tight. Where we expect 50/50 fox/coyote I may place two traps at the set, the second a little further back than the first. A few well placed clods and get out the skinnin knife. Man this works good on paper Mark
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Post by trappnman on Jul 15, 2004 20:55:19 GMT -6
CD- and others- let me make the question a little more specific. The dnr asked me once- could I catch more reds if I tried for them? I said no- because I was using "fox set", "fox lures" and "fox urine"...heck I WAS fox trapping...just catching coyotes. Because I've learned to pay attention to visuals in sevral ways with coyotes- I DO do that with cooytes in mind. But I really don't know what I COULD do different- I think in my cooytes sets, I am taking "all" the fox I could take. If I tried your style of fox sets- would I catch anymore fox? I cannot see how- thus my original query. Yet- I think a fox trapper, making the type of fox sets you decribe WOULD miss coyotes- for a variety of reasons- too small a pattern, bad visuals, (trap size of course.) So- would a good coyote trapper, going about his business- (ok, like me damn it! take the fox he has avaiable to take? If not- what could you possibly do- because, I frimly believe this- any good coyote set will take a fox- and the reverse is simply not true.
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Post by tim125 on Jul 15, 2004 21:03:04 GMT -6
steve i agree - but due to body size - how would you like to try a flat set that would take both and use 1 habit they both have-
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Post by trappnman on Jul 15, 2004 21:18:17 GMT -6
I never turn down set idea.
Tight walkthroughs in grass clumps is about as nice a 1 set fits all as there is.
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Post by Stef on Jul 15, 2004 22:22:36 GMT -6
Steve, the way you make your flat set, I cannot see how you could miss fox.
Stef
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Post by trappnman on Jul 15, 2004 22:51:00 GMT -6
Thats what is was wondering- if I could take more fox...but as I said, I don't really see what else I could do.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 16, 2004 7:16:10 GMT -6
Steve, I see your point. And like Stef said, your flat set would probably take both equally well.
Do you think your triangle stepdown would miss more fox than a Phil Brown/Leggett type dirthole? I don't know the answer...
The point I was trying to make in the earlier post is that I feel if your mindset is on coyote, you will do better on coyote and maybe miss some fox...and vise-versa. It's not a set thing or anything like that, it's a thought process thing.
You know when you look over the landscape and make a set, how you can picture the target animal coming along the travelway, the angle you feel he should come to the set, and how it works the set. Trapping is anticipating animal movement and reaction, and if your anticipation is for one species it stands to reason that you would be missing some others.
I think if you wanted to catch more fox and I wanted to catch more coyotes, it would take more than just changing trap placement or something simple like that. The whole games gotta change.
Most guys like a happy medium.
I think most trappers adapt their methods to harvest the maximum amount of canines on their line.
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Post by Deadfall_Paul on Jul 16, 2004 10:46:25 GMT -6
You know when you look over the landscape and make a set, how you can picture the target animal coming along the travelway, the angle you feel he should come to the set, and how it works the set. Trapping is anticipating animal movement and reaction, and if your anticipation is for one species it stands to reason that you would be missing some others. [/b][/quote] AMEN!! 100% Agreement. It seems to me also to be what you are concentrating on. Doesn't mean you won't catch something else but will mainly be target. Paul
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