Do you agree or disagree with this... ?

[trappnman]

Here is a statement I beleive in. I say it through no arrogant, just as something I believe is fact.

A good coyote trapper trapping coyotes will take about every red that comes along.

A good fox trapper trapping fox will miss a lot of coyotes.

Not talking size of trap, staking here.

Agree?

I'm all wet?

[Maineman]

You're all wet... ;D

[CoonDuke]

When you say miss, do you mean that the coyotes do not find the sets or the trap placement allows the coyote to work the set without being caught??

[trappnman]

/me I mean...does a man that is a good coyote trapper, setting sets for coyotes, catch every red that comes along....

and

/me does a good fox man, setting for fox, miss more yotes than he would catch...

[Ric]

Agree

[CoonDuke]

I think that a good fox trapper misses coyotes because of how subtle they set. Tiny holes, cute little sets and patterns. Most fox trappers do not use visuals and flashy sets. So yes, an animal that has a larger range would probably miss some subtle sets.

But, I also have seen some sets guys use for coyotes that would miss gray fox...due to trap placement.

I am no coyote trapper so these are just observations of succesful coyote trappers, not coyotes.

[trappnman]

just a note of set types CD- most of my flat sets HAVE no patterns, no visible holes, nothing but subtle blending in of the whole area.

I probably catch more coyotes in subtle sets than flashy sets.

Keep in mind Leggetts stepdown, the same type Phil uses for the most part ARE what could be called flashy, visual orientated sets

[Deadfall_Paul]

As a general statement I tend to agree with you.

That is, as you say with reds, not grays.

The only reds you wouldn't get are the ones the 'yotes got to first.

Well maybe you would get a piece of them. ;D

[dj88ryr]

I am not saying I am a "good " fox trapper, but, I take my share. I KNOW for a fact that I missed coyotes last season, I think this is just a fact due to foot placement and difference in size of the animals. You have a better chance of getting fox in your yote sets than you do taking coyotes in your fox sets.

[yota]

Your question has one major fault........the placement of the trap works one way but not the other.....a red fox has to walk past the trap in a set made for a coyote. A coyote does not make it to the trap when investigating a set made for a fox. Look at the bodys of the two animals your question is about.......simple biology and common sense.

[trappnman]

Yet, in a walkthough, the trap is the same positon for either.

[yota]

You made a generic set question .........I cannot answer the question if you change the rules.

I would guess that in most situations { maybe not yours} fox and coyotes are predominatly cought in one of two sets..........a dirt hole or a flat set. In either application, I believe my answer to you stands fast..........most folk as far as I know do not use the "walk-Thru" set that you do.

[Rob220swift]

A bad coyote trapper will catch them both. Why? Because Bush and Cheney and Haliburton did it all for the oil money...... Oops! Wrong website, sorry.
I feel that you will get fox in coyote sets, assuming trap back 8-10 inches for the reason given by DJ and Buzz. On walk thru sets, it should make no difference.

[trappnman]

Nah Buzz---I said a good coyote trapper...nothing about sets

My point being....does a coyote trapper have to do much different to take the fox in his area?

Whereas a fox trapper might have to rethink his whole method of operations....

or not?

[yota]

It does not take a good coyote trapper to take fox in a coyote set.......it takes makin a clean set . You make it sound like catchin coyotes is a science and catchin fox is childs play. It is neither.

A fox trapper has everything against him from the word go........trap size, trap placement, staking, etc.......you wanna real good question.....ask your same question with a BMP twist to it.........can you coyote trappers make sets for coyotes which will hold the coyotes you intend to trap plus not damage the grey fox you have as insidentals ??


To answer your last question..........you have to do one or the the other........ my intial statement holds.

[Maineman]

My reply stands... ;D

[conibear1]

So, if we want to take both reds and yotes, we should all set up as though we are targeting yotes.

Is this the sumation/ idea??

[trappnman]

Well- I'd like to hear your thought conibear1- if you have a good mix of coyotes and fox....how would you set up?

No one said "I'd set fox sets for fox, coyote sets for coyote".

Is this, in any practical sense on the same line, possible?

[coyoteman37]

I have reds greys yotes and cats I have one trap placement for all. It stays the same year round.My honest opinion IF a man can catch a fox he can catch a yote . there is nothing hard about it. There is no big secret to it either. A good yote catcher will catch all fox if he wants them its target selection. A good fox trapper will miss most yotes due to equptment and placement.

[yota]

Its rudimentry.........set up as you would for coyotes...........a fox will have to cross the target area in sets used by most trappers in the country........the opposite is true if set for fox..........its just plain simple .

Good grief , I just agreed w/ 37 a hundred and 50 percent, or at least I agreed w/ what he said.