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Post by trappnman on Mar 17, 2004 7:49:54 GMT -6
Chris said on another thread....
I think a lot of misses at flat sets are due to trappers not accounting for wind direction.
Hmmmmn....
Interesting statement. Usually wind direction is blamed or sets are located to have wind direction "pull" the coyote to the set location if he doesn't see it or doesn't travel close enough to it.
But wiond directio ncauseing misses? I see the point...never considered it...and my first thought is...
- does wind direction in a way override guides and backing?
What exactly do you mean by this?
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Post by Timber on Mar 17, 2004 13:09:09 GMT -6
I don't think this is a problem exclusive to flat sets. If you have a dirt hole with backing set for a provailing NW wind and you get a NE wind they will approach the set from a different angle then your guides are placed. I don't know how many you lose but probably not too many, most of mine seem to prance around the set alot. You can see it in preseason baiting in the dirt and you can really see it if you have a trap that gets frozen in. Seems like every coyote in the county visits it that night.
Tim
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Post by trappnman on Mar 17, 2004 13:32:48 GMT -6
Wind direction is still something I have doubts about- I can see it bringing a coyote in a "cocked" position from the trap- but once closer, the visual guides should take over and direct him the way you want him to go.
I could see a dirthole being affected more- but a flat set?
To me the beauty of a walkthrough type flat set- and thats 90% of mine if not 100%- is that is DOESN"T matter which direction he comes into the set- he HAS to cross the trap to work the multiple lure holes.
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Post by coyote on Mar 17, 2004 19:35:27 GMT -6
Steve,
do you set up the lure placements on your walk-throughs like Charles Dobbins recommended?
thanks.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 17, 2004 19:41:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure how he did it. I do know i make my remakes similar to his.
On flat sets, I like to use 2 small vertical holes- maybe 12-18 inches apart, with a walkthrough situation.
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Post by coyote on Mar 17, 2004 20:23:50 GMT -6
as I recall from reading one of his books, he placed the lures one on each side of the walk-through (not necessarily directly opposite ), holes slanted toward the walk-way at different angles, to cause foot shuffling.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 18, 2004 7:10:59 GMT -6
Thats basically it- but I make my holes vertical- that way a coyte has to be standing tight to them to put his nose in one.
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Post by briankroberts on Mar 18, 2004 14:25:25 GMT -6
Wind direction?? Hmmm.... ;D ....B....
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Post by trappnman on Mar 18, 2004 15:36:09 GMT -6
Im just not a believer in wind direction, in my country at the very least, as being being a primary factor (plus or minus) in my coyote trapping.
I don't have any problem being on location and having coyotes work sets. In fact- if I caught every coyote that noticed and worked my sets- I'd be a VERY happy coyote trapper.
Set downwind? Heck- here the fall wind patterns is either due west from South Dakota or straight down from Canada. That is- if it in't coming upsouth up the Mississippi. Add to that I'm trapping bluffs above the Mississippi at its widest point over the entire length- and you can see why wind direction isn't a concern.
And even if it is that important- how could you possibly reuduce misses through utilizing the wind direction? Wouldn't any "compensating" (for lack of a better term) them be wrong when the wind doesn't blow? During calm?
Because even in the most windy states (SD is #4, MN is #9) the wind doesn't blow all the time.
To my mind- if you are set on location- and use visuals- heck- even without visuals- a coyote is going to find and work your set.
And if coyote trapping was poker....a "visual' trumps "wind direction" regarding how a canine works a set.
So- thats my view- HOW a set is worked is based on the construction of the set- and wind direction isn't factored in.
And I'm right......
Or am I.......?
I can see it as a concept...and I like concepts..but as a practical manner? To put more coyotes on the boards?
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Post by briankroberts on Mar 18, 2004 18:55:42 GMT -6
I just believe that smell is very important to a Coyote and when he winds a lure wether he has seen the set 1st or smelled it I believe he makes a bee line with his nose guiding the way.
Now this may not be as important on say a stepdown or a bighole and backing and guiding play a large role I'm sure , but if the wind is in your favor I think its the best guide you can have to take him over the trap.
I use a lot of well blended post sets in conjuction with loud stepdowns and I really like the wind to be in my favor, on many of these I've transplanted a clump of grass for my post and if the wind changes I just move the clump and change some guiding and I'm back.
Maybe I've put more into this than needs be but in my type of locations ( wide open places and drainage ditches) I think it helps me.....B....
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Post by trappnman on Mar 19, 2004 16:55:37 GMT -6
but since wind isn't constant or consistent- wouldn't visual guides be more important?
wind direction is fickle....
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Post by Edge on Mar 19, 2004 18:06:09 GMT -6
I think it pays to notice and remember prevailing winds,but if you think about it to the point where you are slowing down;quit thinking about it.
Edge
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Post by trappnman on Mar 19, 2004 18:47:10 GMT -6
ChrisM is out of town until mid week- I'd sure like to hear why he made the statement . Watching Wiley make his set on the NTA viedo- he was making his flat set with the backing tOWARDS the wind. (PS- for those with the video- the sweep of the landscape Scott does is from where his new house is. The trees and bushes are all part of his high tech windbreak. Last summer, we walked down to the little spring- and Scott was beating the bushes ahead of use for snakes- and I wsn't in my usually protective tennies- but in sandels and shorts! I must really impress Scott... ;D
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Post by dj88ryr on Mar 19, 2004 19:50:27 GMT -6
SANDALS? ? Oh brother........
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Post by Edge on Mar 19, 2004 20:40:53 GMT -6
Cmon DJ,nothin wrong with Jesus shoes.....I'm all for wering the bare minimum in summer;that is to say,anything over 60 F. I can still hear the girls of summer..."Put it ON,put it ON!!"
Edge
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Post by dj88ryr on Mar 19, 2004 20:49:24 GMT -6
At home maybe, not out on the line or anywhere there is SNAKES!!! But I guess I couldn't expect anything less from someone who traps in sneakers, so he can run down and tackle coyotes who pull out at the last second. ;D ;D
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Post by Edge on Mar 19, 2004 22:02:56 GMT -6
You're not a snakaphobic are ya?They dont eat much when they bite......plenty left for the buzzards.
Edge
PS Dont let Tman lead you astray on those sneakers.....he wears them not so he can outrun a coyote,but so he can outrun the poor girl who is ALSO running from the coyote!
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Post by trappnman on Mar 20, 2004 7:25:15 GMT -6
Well..I'm trying to sound rich now...sandals...actually- a pair of flip flops- Hey- I was on vacation...... Not afraid of snakes per se- just don't like them. I'll grab anything with fur or feathers- but scales and tails...nope!
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Post by dj88ryr on Mar 20, 2004 7:30:08 GMT -6
I am with you on the snakes T-Man. Not afraid of them either, but anything bigger than a garden snake gets chased down and decapitated by me, I hate them SOBs. A co-worker goes " snakin " on the weekends for fun, he becomes disappointed if the don't find anything with poison in them we have a lot of copperheads and a few rattlers here. I kill every one I see. I just don't want to have to be so careful when I am trout fishing, we didn't have this problem up in NH, there was talk of rattlers, but I never saw one or many other snakes for that matter.
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Post by 17kiss on Mar 20, 2004 8:44:24 GMT -6
Edge , seems like just yesterday when they were saying take it off , take it off. 10 years , alot of percocets and snacks later................
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