Wis and Mich snarers....

[Steve Gappa]

So how is it working out? I know the snow hasn't been enough in many areas to concentrate travel lanes- but are you getting canines?

Hopefully if the state ever gets off their butts, we will get snaring here- talk is of next year.

So all of you have just gone through what I (hopefully) wil lbe learning next year.

Help me out. What are the do's and don'ts in starting to learn how to snare?

[RdFx]

You dont need snow to cable canines and not deep trails unless the snow stays soft and canines cant walk on top of snow THEN they use trails more. From reports Wis trappers are sucessful. Snaring info that has been written over the years is helpful information BUT the way you cable will depend on how yr state allows cable to be used. In WI we are not allowed lethal cable locks and NO entanglement. Cables are easy to set but not so easy to cable stake into 6 inches of frost . Jump sticks are a no, no as young deer will duck under and get cabled. Some break out , some dont. Older deer step over or jump but not fawns.. Dont know if Minn will or has contacted Wi on our first in USA snare study but it would be helpful for them to get on right track..... They can make thier own rules but could avoid some pitfalls and make things go smoother. We had four years of study before cabling was implemented into a season..... Lots of hour and paperwork.

[Appleknocker]

Snaring in Michigan was granted on a 3 year trial basis. This is the third year. Have no idea when the DNR will post their views of this trial period, but I will pass them on when received. We can only snare canines in January and February. We have been able to snare beaver under ice and this trial canine snaring should have no impact on that. The biggest debate with the guys snaring in Michigan is which is better, deer stops or break aways. We have to have one or the other. This is the first year I set any snares, so I don't know much. I have an average of 1 coyote caught for every three snares set. The bad news is I only set 3 snares!

[dj88ryr]

LOL appleknocker, I snared up in NH when I lived there, I really like it a lot, you can set a lot of snares and not break your back carrying stakes, traps etc. The older you get the more you appreciate this. We have been working to get snaring legalized in PA for some time now, Like 20 some years. We can snare beaver under water, but up to this point the gun dog lobby has been too powerful a foe to overcome, maybe some day soon, we will get the restrictions lifted a bit.

[Pelts]

Steve,

Just this past Sunday, Bill Knapp made his way up here to Michigan to put on a snaring demo for us and we sure had agreat time. I went knowing very little and came out with a much better understanding of snares and how to set them up. Oh i've read the books on snaring but to actually see it being done out in the field was much better for me. I always wondered about baits and lures when snaring. I figured it was a waste of time. Not so. I pulled in a yote yesterday by putting Dobbins 3KO lure about 4 1/2 feet up in a branch in the thicker brush. I found out that after the yote got in close enough, he must have lost it's direction on the lure and kept moving around trying to lacate it again. This caused him to wander into my set. One down and million to go.

Pelts

[yooper]

i'm new to trapping, part of last year and most of this year. i really like the snaring. it's alot easier to get started and for the beginner to get started and have a little success. it's alot cheaper than buying traps also. i have realized one thing, yotes are way smarter than me. i hope this snaring thing keeps going. just my 2cents

[Steve Gappa]

Does WIS have a 24 hour check on snares?


thats the proposal in MN and I think its ridiculus for coyotes. We would only be able to snare after dec 15- so hunters would not be a concern. If you have to check snares everyday- it has to hurt your success.

[Steve Gappa]

Yes- Mn would be private only too- which makes the late season limitations kind of silly- after all- on private land- YOU would have permisison and anyone else either would not- or would no snares were present.

[Steve Gappa]

ahhh.... I kinda agree. Certainly with the fact that snares are a very effective tool on both yotes and beaver.

But sometimes restrictions are hard if not impossible to get rid of once in place.....the old "we aren't having problems why change"

I hope that MI continue to be able to keep their snaring. Mn is the only state in the upper midwest whereing snaring is illegal in more than half the state.

[RdFx]

Edge ya from one baldy to another! Cant hook up on trees as we have NONentanglement here in WI. Also Steve it is 24 hour check. I have to say with gas prices and the cycle of return for yotes here like 2 to 3 weeks that is EXPENSIVE. CHecking fm a distance doesnt hurt as yotes at times walk right in my tracks when im snaring deep snow. Also as for cable stakes ive been using them for 4 yrs cableing (snareing LOL) and havent had a pull out. In fact ive gone down to 4 inches on cables pounding into frozen ground. Some trappers are using rerod stakes and definately recommend cross staking as have seen yotes pump up stake 12 inches in frozen ground with cable around neck... Go figure. It would be nicer and faster to just tree lock cables on to trees and logs but no entanglement plus nothing on drags. Have set up snares on sliders to get them out of site like footholds and works great. I use only in certain areas.

[Steve Gappa]

Its like the states recognize the NEED for snaring cooytes- but want to make it as difficult as possible.

But I five MI and WS a lot of credit- as I do Ohio with their addition of snaring in the past couple of years.


here- its silly. We can put 220s anywhere wwe want with almost zero restrictions- can set within a few feet of a roadside couvert- but that it,

We can put 2,000 220s on every trail in the county- but can't use snares.

Here, the problem is the people in power are happy with te status quo- and aren't really getting off their butts to get this going. A sore issue with me- since I was the one to get the snaring motion going once again- over the objections of the MTA. Since at that time my cousin was a state legislator- I threatened to take the issue and run with it myself, and the MTA reluctantly came aboard. Unfortunately, I put my trust in the wrong places.

I contune to use whatever influence I do have here to urge the dnr to hasten snaring here. Again unfortunately my opponents are the ones in charge of the chicken coop...and we are loosing chickens..

[surshot]

Steve you know I'm still trying to shorten the learning curve for me and the boys lol. Had just about given up on catching a fox, (dream of mine for awhile) Jan 2 set dozen and a half restraints on 85 acre farm I'm beaver trapping on. Had fox tracks on every trail that I didn't set none on trails I set. then four days ago caught my first fox coming out of swamp into woods. Great sight pretty red dancing on end of cable. Then day before yesterday pulled up in truck and had a double nice male and female side by side. Now I'm ordering more restraints and hopeing no one in state screws up to lose this tool for us cause I am HOOKED on um. Absolutly no fur damage on any of the 3. Now bring on the Yotes surshot