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Post by trappnman on Sept 4, 2016 7:54:16 GMT -6
exactly
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Post by redsnow on Sept 4, 2016 8:13:36 GMT -6
I get the impression that some folks don't like Trump, because he's rich. Some people are like that, I don't dislike anyone because he or she has made some good deals.
About these "bankruptcy" deals, from what I know they are all legal. I know a lady that filed for bankruptcy, basically she "over extended" herself, the banks or lenders got the shaft, but it's legal. I won't say that it's right, but that's the way things work.
Just like anything, if you buy something and all the equipment is worn out, obsolete and you pay too much, you can file for bankruptcy.
Trump has some (read that lots of good folks working for him), the best in the business, and they know the "loopholes", and they get it done!
And I expect that's exactly what he'll do as President.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 4, 2016 8:19:43 GMT -6
my best friend is a millionaire
you need to look at how he filed- buy making millions off the companies, then filing leaving investors and suppliers holding the bag. That's not over extended- that's a business plan. thats not obsolete equipment- its a business plan
legal? sure- but immoral? non compassionate? you bet
I see the people he has hired for his campaign, and also listen to his surrogates- not impressed in any way
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Post by redsnow on Sept 4, 2016 8:54:17 GMT -6
I guess that's the way it works everywhere. I put my money in my checking account and get maybe 1/2% interest, and whoever borrows my money is charged 7%.
Or so? Not sure exactly what the rates are today. I do know that my money acquires just about the same interest rate at the bank, as it does under my pillow.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 4, 2016 9:45:27 GMT -6
lets make it more real- like in Trumps case.
you buy a business- you buy inventory, you buy supplies, you buy workers
you then take out every penny you can from that business- in many cases millions
then, without paying suppliers, inventory, workers- you then declare bankruptcy on that shell of a company.
THATS his MO
and lets not even add in the lawsuits about his TWO fake universities- and did you know, that in FL, where one of his scam universitys was under investigation- and the AG asked Trump for a $25,000 donation, he paid for it OUT OF HIS NON PROFIT FOUNDATION- and she dropped the investigation.
That's the man you support
Clintons not my first choice, but against Trump she is like an angel in heaven
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Post by redsnow on Sept 4, 2016 12:11:29 GMT -6
Hmmm, I'm not familiar with all of that. But he's not Hillary! We're tired of the system, Hillary is the system and you can't teach an old dog. . .
Just my opinion, if Trump wouldn't have stuck his foot in his mouth so many times before, this election would have been decided by now, pretty much. I did see where Clinton's lead is fading.
Trump is in this deal to win. You watched him fight his way through the Primary, and you see where he is now. I said this once before, I really believe Bernie would have stood a better chance against Trump.
We talked about this a little before, the Vice President picks will probably have a little sway in this election. Pence is looking good.
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Post by bblwi on Sept 4, 2016 15:05:47 GMT -6
So you think a person who sticks their foot in their mouth routinely in the past and that is for decades not months, will discontinue doing so if elected. Democracy is about patience and learning how to compromise and govern, not autocratic authority and my way only and that is also needed to get to the office let a lone govern and lead from the office. Hilary is the better qualified to do just that even with her faults. Many of her faults are actually what many like in American citizens gaining power, wealth and authority, it is just that she happens to be a moderate to liberal female Democrat that knows how to play the game and many find that upsetting, not so much what she is or does but mostly for who she is.
Bryce
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Post by redsnow on Sept 4, 2016 17:10:55 GMT -6
I agree. There are a bunch of us that don't like Clinton!
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Post by bblwi on Sept 4, 2016 17:28:45 GMT -6
If elected she will probably serve the nation and you well even if you don't like her.
Bryce
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Post by redsnow on Sept 4, 2016 17:32:27 GMT -6
I expect Trump to do the same. Probably better.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 4, 2016 18:07:49 GMT -6
if trump would get elected, I only hope we see 2020 come around
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Post by redsnow on Sept 4, 2016 18:36:38 GMT -6
Might ought to figure on 2024.
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Post by PamIsMe on Sept 5, 2016 1:17:29 GMT -6
"Trump is in this deal to win."
He is, and that's what worries me. All he cares about is winning and I doubt he's given much serious thought to what all the job entails if he wins. He won't have a moment to himself. I think he'll always be more worried about his businesses (even though he says his kids are capable) and what people are saying about him, than he will about the country's affairs. Despite his touting of his negotiating skills, I don't think he has a clue. He seems to think he'll get his way no matter what and if he doesn't, will he be able to handle it? Without embarrassing the US?
I remember Michelle Obama saying she can't even open a window in the White House without permission. I think the confinement of it all will drive Trump crazier than he already is. I hope to heck that someone takes away his I-phone and closes his tweeting account at the very least.
What I hate most about him is that instead of paying people for honest services rendered, he takes them to court on bogus charges, knowing that his high priced lawyers can drag it out long enough so the other party can't afford to go on. P*ssing on the little guys because you can is a pretty crappy way to do business if ya ask me.
The last time we earned any interest on our money and the middle class was in pretty good shape was when a Clinton was President. I'm not saying Hillary can work miracles, but I think she has a good shot at making things better again, especially if the Dem's take back some Senate seats.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappnman on Sept 5, 2016 6:05:21 GMT -6
What I hate most about him is that instead of paying people for honest services rendered, he takes them to court on bogus charges, knowing that his high priced lawyers can drag it out long enough so the other party can't afford to go on. P*ssing on the little guys because you can is a pretty crappy way to do business if ya ask me.
could not agree more!
plus the fact he knows nothing on policy, and his record of "hiring the best" is just silly looking at his history. Hes boorish, he is a pig, he is unstable.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 5, 2016 7:09:32 GMT -6
Pam the only reason Clinton did well was because of the Internet boom. He raised taxes and money flowed into the fed coffers because of the shear amounts and fast rise and upstarts of business that became of a 1-100 year thing.
Let Bill add in nationalized healthcare back then and even with the Internet boom and all the tax money rolling in from 16 ways to Sunday, he would have never needed with a surplus .
Hillary will not have such IF elected president, many of her programs will not help mark it down. Some will try and say they have but they will not and job growth will be stagnant and people will loose freedoms under her.
350 billion for free college tuition and expanding a failing Obama health care plan? Sluggish economy that will go lower in stocks if elected. Higher taxation .
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Post by redsnow on Sept 5, 2016 7:57:54 GMT -6
One thing that I don't understand, Steve and Pam and Bryce have all said something like: Hillary has her faults, she's done wrong, she screwed up here and there, "yet we'll vote for her"!
Folks, I'm not that way!
I agree she's screwed up, multiple times! It's time to give someone else a chance.
One thing that I'll tell you now, I don't owe Hillary Clinton squat! I gave her a fair shake, she let me down!
But I won't call Hillary a pig, I have more respect for swine!
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Post by trappnman on Sept 5, 2016 8:40:59 GMT -6
you aren't that way? my God- LOOK at what Trump has said, and done.
A racist first and foremost- and yet, he is your man.
he pays out bribes- and he is your man?
he imports illegal workers, yet speaks against them- and he is your man?
he defaulted on countless bills to suppliers and workers, causing many to go bankrupt himself- and he is your man?
he has zero knowledge of any overseas policies, wants to give nukes to japan and S korea and Saudi Arabia, and thinks Jung and Putin are great leaders- and he is your man?
if his lips are moving, he is lying- and he is your man?
his immigration policy, after all the hype and hate is follow the laws- and he is your man?
his economic policys will double the debt according to all that actually read them and see what they mean- and he is your man according to the Donald, American Wages are much to high, and he sends all his work overseas- and he is your man?
his words and actions are those of someone not in good mental health (hey, if she wasn't my daughter I'd F her") - and he is your man?
his tax proposals give major breaks to the super wealthy- estimates are that if put into place, would save TRUMP over 4 billion in taxes over time- and he is your man?
good grief!
and emails, emails that have been investigated by the FBI, and congress- all for NIL- and he is oyur man? none of what he says and does bothers you-
but emails are the straw?
you wouldn't have voted democratic is Saint Teresa was running- so don't blow smoke
the chances of Trump winning are nil- same as Romneys chances were- and Trump is doing far worse in every category except poor, white men
64 days can't get here soon enough!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 5, 2016 11:32:18 GMT -6
Than this election cycle comes down to who has the most faults going forward and who will be better for a snap shot in time durring the next 4 years, given there past and what they intend to do. That is why we all get to vote. I do not want Hillairy picking Supreme Court nominees, I do not want her intruding on my 2nd and 1 St amendment rights, I do not want someone who is going to create less jobs here in the US.
Let us all face the true music neither one of thee people are grade A or B candidates but it is what we have to work with this go around. I am all about our governor race locally and other seats on the local level. A strong govenor can override some of the non sense at the DC level.
There is zero chance I could ever vote for Hillary knowing what I know and you feel the same about trump. One thing trump has is he is not beholden to anyone and is an outside the belt way guy. The vary thing Minniesotians did to put Jessie the body into office. We have congress to weigh things out that is their place, so I am more than willing to give trump 4 years, versus Hillary all day long.
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Post by redsnow on Sept 5, 2016 12:02:55 GMT -6
Seems to me that some of you are going to give Hillary a free pass, just cause she's a Clinton! I don't owe the Clinton's squat.
Hillary has failed the test! Plain and simple!
64 days, that's a long time.
Looked at one poll the other day, Trump cut Hillary's lead in half in a week's time.
Above someone wrote that Trump didn't know anything about "policy". That's one big issue, we need to change the policy, because the policy today sucks!
And when 70% of Americans say that they think the country is headed in the wrong direction, well, you do the math.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 5, 2016 17:31:06 GMT -6
what you seem to forget- is many of that 70% feel the country is the wrong direction because of the GOP
again- not giving her a pass-
but pitted against just a horrible person in Trump- as someone that respects women, can get along with those of a different color, respects and honors veterans, believes religion is a choice and freedom of speech
its an easy choice-
I don't vote for racists. pure and simple.
those that do- that's on them
redsnow- never met you but find you to be a man of common sense from being on various forums with you. I don't consider you a racist, as your tone, tenor and words indicate nothing of that sort. And expect if we were around a fire we would talk the night away w/o a mention of politics. So it really baffles me- again, don't get me wrong, I was more involved in trying to promote a candidate this year with Bernie than I've been since 1968. Hillary was not my choice. But kitty spit stuff like emails is meaningless overall-
emails are pushing the line- Trumps words, and actions far overreached it. Would you vote for Geo Wallace? David Duke? An American Nazi? I expect not- then A > B > C
Clinton needs to win 10 out of 120 electorial votes that are up for grabs. do the math.
actually, the pools In battleground states- still give her a big lead- if trump won every state where its tied, or she holds a 1 point lead- he still looses. Do the math
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