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Post by bblwi on Jul 30, 2016 13:53:57 GMT -6
It is interesting to read the comments of those who feel we are hopelessly falling behind while we are employing more people than ever and net worth is rising. I for one take calculated risks every day of my life but I don't look at Trump as a "calculated risk". I will take and support those that work hard to improve the base we have and the efforts we make to improve lives and standards of living for our citizens. There have been truly very few revolutionary presidents. I don't look at Trump being able to be a truly revolutionary president that moves us forward. TR was a Republican who believed in preserving natural areas, took on conglomerates that were price setting and abusing millions of workers. FDR a cousin and a Democrat was willing to use billions of US dollars to create government work programs because he believed that work created dignity for men and women and also that learning skills while working would pay back the nation multifold. There are people today that still feel he was just another bleeding heart socialist but look at the opportunity he created and the hole he allowed millions to crawl out of. He created a large federal government that went on to create a huge private sector and economic growth. I firmly do believe that many today just don't want that many of our citizens to be that successful. They believe there is only so much pie and they are unwilling to give up any of the slices they feel are theirs. They don't understand that to grow an economy the size we need for 420 million by 2050 we will need to make more pie, not carve up what we have today. For all those naysayers regarding growth just look at the growth we have had over the last say 15 years with the very low inflation rates we have experienced. Although slower than many might want it to be it is real growth and not inflationary growth. The real issue we face is there is a huge reluctance on the part of the very few with the very most as economic growth and a bit higher inflation hurts them more then the lower income and wealth holders so they have a natural inclination to control the wealth and keep those with less with less. Bryce
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Post by redsnow on Jul 30, 2016 17:09:26 GMT -6
You can't make up stuff like this either! www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/politics/25clinton.html?_r=0Let me ask, what's the difference between a "misspoke" and a lie? Nada! Speaking for myself (and probably lots of other Americans) we're just tired of the BS coming out of DC! Similar to the recent "feel good" speeches.
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Post by redsnow on Jul 30, 2016 17:39:14 GMT -6
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Post by bblwi on Jul 30, 2016 21:24:31 GMT -6
I feel by early November as people start to put their pencil to the ballot they will have thought a lot about how much unknown they are willing to risk and especially from someone who has a history of changing his mind in moments and then letting someone else clean up the mess. If I were really upset about government be that federal, state and local then I would want more than a one person wrecking ball type person leading us to less government with more indication of a transition instead of razing and destruction. Trump asked for more items that will cost us more money in the federal government then the Dem's did and he is the person being "Trumped" as the change agent. Pun intended.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Jul 31, 2016 1:46:36 GMT -6
Some people know how to evolve in their thinking. Lots of people were against gay marriage but came to the ultimate conclusion that it's it' a union between two people and it has no effect on anyone not gay. Opinions do change over the years.
It's not the past that's a concern with Trump so much as the here and now, and the future. Trump persists in saying outrageous things. He's upset today because the patriotic Muslim man's wife didn't speak during the story of their son who died a soldier because the man wouldn't let her. She said she couldn't speak because her son's picture was behind her and she didn't trust herself to speak without crying. Now Trump says the debates that were scheduled a year ago are "rigged" because they happen to fall the same time as some football games. More than likely he'll refuse to participate. There isn't a day that goes by that he doesn't say something dumber than the day before.
I think Hillary had it exactly right. How can anyone trust a man who can be baited (to anger) simply by a tweet, be made Commander-In-Chief and be put in charge of nuclear codes. We don't need any more young Americans dying because Trump 's ticked off at some other world leader. Been there, done that already with Bush-Cheney. At the very least someone should take Trump's phone away from him and close his twitter account if they want him to get elected.
Pam
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Post by musher on Jul 31, 2016 4:30:55 GMT -6
Anyone who was watching the DNC on FOX missed the speech of the Muslim Dad who was talking about his soldier son who was killed in action and how much they love America. Talk abut media biases? My friend's response: "No. Not enough said!! As Elizabeth Warren said, "you can't make this stuff (about Trump) up. When people say he is ill-informed and ignorant, they are understating the point." I saw the news snippit of the dad. It was pretty good. The dad believed what he was saying and the way he said it made everyone else believe, too. I would say that many/most Trump supporters know how ignorant and ill-informed Trump is.But they feel that option #2 is worse. People that don't get THAT are missing the point. They think that people that see Trump as an idiot will suddenly see Trump as an idiot. It won't happen. They know already. Last night I had supper with a bud who has worked in the states for the last 20 years or so. His wife has relatives in the states. They have a son that works in the states. They know Trump is a poor choice. They are not Clinton fans. Bud said that most Democrats vote. Many Republicans do not. As a rule voter turn out is low. If Trump gets the vote out, he's got a solid crack at the job. Rainy weather on voting day will help Clinton. The Dems are going to vote no matter what. But a Republican that thinks his only choice is a poor one might not want to open an umbrella.
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Post by redsnow on Jul 31, 2016 5:50:13 GMT -6
Not sure? We'll probably have a better than average voter turnout this time around, there's a lot at stake! Folks are unhappy.
From what little bit I've seen and/or read so far, Trump and Pence are making their points at the different "events". These little "town hall" type things, that are open to the public, Dems and Reps, everyone.
My opinion, lots of Democrats will see a different side of Trump, he will calm down, and get down to business. As far as Mr. Pence, it seems folks like what they see and hear from him too.
Trump will win West Virginia, no question about that! But I will admit that I saw a Hillary bumper sticker, here in the parking lot the other day. It said: "Hillary for Prison, 2016"
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Post by cameron1976 on Jul 31, 2016 8:23:38 GMT -6
It is interesting to read the comments of those who feel we are hopelessly falling behind while we are employing more people than ever and net worth is rising. I for one take calculated risks every day of my life but I don't look at Trump as a "calculated risk". I will take and support those that work hard to improve the base we have and the efforts we make to improve lives and standards of living for our citizens. There have been truly very few revolutionary presidents. I don't look at Trump being able to be a truly revolutionary president that moves us forward. TR was a Republican who believed in preserving natural areas, took on conglomerates that were price setting and abusing millions of workers. FDR a cousin and a Democrat was willing to use billions of US dollars to create government work programs because he believed that work created dignity for men and women and also that learning skills while working would pay back the nation multifold. There are people today that still feel he was just another bleeding heart socialist but look at the opportunity he created and the hole he allowed millions to crawl out of. He created a large federal government that went on to create a huge private sector and economic growth. I firmly do believe that many today just don't want that many of our citizens to be that successful. They believe there is only so much pie and they are unwilling to give up any of the slices they feel are theirs. They don't understand that to grow an economy the size we need for 420 million by 2050 we will need to make more pie, not carve up what we have today. For all those naysayers regarding growth just look at the growth we have had over the last say 15 years with the very low inflation rates we have experienced. Although slower than many might want it to be it is real growth and not inflationary growth. The real issue we face is there is a huge reluctance on the part of the very few with the very most as economic growth and a bit higher inflation hurts them more then the lower income and wealth holders so they have a natural inclination to control the wealth and keep those with less with less. Bryce It's funny you mention FDR Bryce. I would be willing to bet a fair share of today's Republican voters had parents and gandparents who were big supporters of FDR. Funny how the tide shifts.
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 3, 2016 15:55:47 GMT -6
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Post by trappnman on Aug 4, 2016 9:23:59 GMT -6
and common sense is starting to come in- Trump is down 10 nationally, and is down 15 in NH, down 10 in PA, down 9 in MI- guess those must not be the "secret" states he is going to win.
I find it hilarious, and mind boggling at the same time, reading about media bias.
heck my friends- they are just repeating The Donalds words.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 4, 2016 9:30:52 GMT -6
As far as Mr. Pence, it seems folks like what they see and hear from him too.
who? he was loosing his re-election bid in IN, and his record on womens rights and minoritys places him right next to trump in that bed-
look at the real numbers that are coming out- even in WHITE MEN- Trumps numbers are declining- and WHITE MEN are about his only voters- and that's only non college educated white men- those with degrees- are more for Hillary than Donald.
and those under 45, and women, and minorities are overwhelmingly favoring Clinton.
and as far as Obama- same approval rating as Reagan for this point in time-
everyday, as I expected, more and more people, including congressmen, other Reps are turning away from supporting Trump.
there is a reason- country MUST trump party
and now the campaign is saying Obama registered at Harvard as a Kenya citizen- talking the outlandish position that HIS MOTHER....was not his mother.
good grief folks- as they say, you can't make this stuff up
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Post by redsnow on Aug 4, 2016 20:03:41 GMT -6
There's no doubt about it, Trump's strategy has the Dem's confused!
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 5, 2016 1:06:01 GMT -6
LOL Trump's strategy has Trump confused.
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Post by musher on Aug 5, 2016 4:05:15 GMT -6
What about Clint Eastwood telling people to get over Trumps "racism." Clint agrees that Trump says foolish things but ...
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Post by trappnman on Aug 5, 2016 9:40:43 GMT -6
the same clint that rambled on to an empty chair? enjoyed his movies, but his opinion means nothing to me on world views or indeed any views
racism isn't something I at least, can't just 'get over"
lets just look at yesterday- not only did Trump talk about a non existent tape that he had watched- he went into great detail about it-
now- THATS what a pathological liar does-
3 times during an hour briefing, Trump asked the advisor "why do we have nukes, if we can't use them?"
that's scary to say the least
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Post by redsnow on Aug 5, 2016 10:26:56 GMT -6
Talking about racism, did any of you see Obama's response to the white cops being killed? His response was shameful. My opinion he's caused more division.
Also noticed where Speaker Ryan has endorsed Trump, more or less a little cat/mouse game between the 2. You support me first, then I'll support you.
I'd say there are some serious discussions going on now, and in the coming days between Trump and Pence, and the other Republican big wheels.
Noticed where Clinton's team raised 90 million during July, compared to 80 million for team Trump.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 5, 2016 10:29:59 GMT -6
yes, I watched multiple speeches on such-
point out what was shameful
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Post by bblwi on Aug 5, 2016 12:07:17 GMT -6
The discussions the GOP is having may well be serious but to me all over a very tragic set of circumstances and issues. The GOP has not been able to talk one bit about conservative principles and issues some to many of which I can support because they have to do damage control with the billionaire bully in the house. Money may well be what it takes to win elections but what I am seeing now is the really heartfelt desire for many lower income Dem's independents and disenfranchised GOP voters to support the cause that they best reflects their principles for the USA and the global world we live and prosper within. I see Trump now as the poster boy for what one does not want to see in wealthy individuals that can support their own campaigns. The GOP could really be in economic deep water by the end of this election cycle.
Bryce
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Post by redsnow on Aug 5, 2016 13:42:57 GMT -6
Well, you bring up another good point. Why are we listening to "multiple speeches" about officers being killed?
I read or watched a thing the other day, the man was a retired police officer, and in his opinion, there hasn't been as much tension between blacks and whites since the 70's. Why is that?
About Obama, more or less his tone, his words, his demeanor, just the way he said things. He's not a very forceful speaker!
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Post by trappnman on Aug 5, 2016 14:50:08 GMT -6
Why are cops killing so many for no reason? another video today- cops opening fire on a car like a scene from the wild west.
Every time I have heard Obama speak about this, it has been with respect and a damn good demeanor-
IMO, hes one of the greatest orators of all time-
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