will you trap next year?

[musher]

Mar 18, 2016 8:06:19 GMT -6 RdFx said:

Ahh Smart never, there are lures that work in one part of the country and sometimes just for the trapper who uses them in certain ways.... best to let a trapper test his or her own lures in his trapping area and his style.
Just tidbit canine lore: Did you know the breeding female wolf lifts her leg when she urinates to get her scent higher in the air on objects ? Ive seen it in wolves but cant say in yotes.

I've seen it in dogs - including spayed dogs. I think it is an alpha thing.

[trappnman]

I can't comment on wolves Lee- but agree with musher- it's not uncommon for female hounds to do the same occasionally

[9wire]

I'll be trapping the same next year- paying jobs, live market, and coon meat...

[trappnman]

I wonder if those markets with get saturated next year? or do oyu think those markets will remain stable?


as much as I don't want to do it, because it reduces the amount of time I will go after coyotes, if coyote prices dip too much, we will wait a couple of weeks before starting- I can live with $15 early coyotes, but if the prices drop til they are next to worth nothing, it would be the smart thing to do. Our fully furred up coyotes are decent enough- I think my fur buyer summed it up rather well when he said we have a commercial coyote here- but a good commercial coyote. So if coyote have any value, those will still do all right.

I think its going to be a horrible convention season for dealers (and I think we will see far less of them at shows)- last year for me I did very well at the few I still go to, but it was 99% coyote/fox related and I'm in the heart of coon country in WI and coon supplies always have led coyote.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman did you notice there are 72,000 coyotes being offered for the April sale? They had less than 50 percent clearance on anything but western heavy coyotes, you might have 2/10 go western heavy? They have 84.00 and change. Then drop down to western semi only 45 percent clearance and the avg was 36.34 not good. Easterns sold at 30 percent and had a better avg than the western semi due to size for trim trade.

That was on 31,256 this go round 72,000 offerd we shall see what happens. If your trapping October coyotes look for at least 5.00-7.00 off last years prices if not more.

Mine won't be worth the time to skin I am afraid down this way. Many buyers saying they might just not buy for for awhile and do other things. A big buyer down this way has made his money off cattle hides the wild fur has done nothing for him the last 3 years. He is really talking he will not do route buying next season at all. Our fur not the quality of many other areas of course. But we have plenty of bobcats, coyotes, otters and coons.

[trappnman]

yes, I think exactly that- my $15 coyotes will be half that or less

I hate to give up those 2 weeks in October- its the best weather, and you know snow is very unlikely- but once in nov- 2 years ago we had a foot of snow nov 8th and it stayed to spring

What we are thinking, is to set a couple of traps on farms we are gopher trapping, pull them but leave the cables when we finish on gophers, and then come back later- that way still get a taste, and even if a few low value, they would all be 100% "found" money as gophers would be paying the expenses, etc

I was somewhat encouraged by mink prices last auction

[9wire]

Not sure on anyone else's (very few trappers around here) but I guarantee mine will be stable...

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman you do relise there are 5.2 million ranch mink setup to be sold in the April sale? 1.8 million Demi brown alone.

Wild mink won't be worth much of anything for a period of time at all.

I see they are also going to try and dump 450,000 coons if at all,possible and many sellers will take a big loss if sold. We shall see what happens on them.

The market is done for a period of years really.

[TrapperRon]

Yup I will be trapping. It is a condition of holding a Registered Trapline. Coyotes, wolves, lynx and marten. Probably a few other species for my trappers education classes.

[k9]

I will hit the coyotes hard and not intentionally trap any coon. I will actually seek out skunks and possums along the way. The more skunks the better.

[RdFx]

Ahhhhh Pepi LaPew, the lowly furbearer but always seems to be a market for fur and ala scent ! A furbearer that is the farmers friend on keeping down insects, mice. Yes, rabies is a problem in areas but a animal that doesnt cause problems UNTIll it shares its quill !

[trappincoyotes39]

Skunks are like beaver the castor is worth more than the pelt and the essence far more than the best skunk pelt.

[trappnman]

TC- I'm fully away of the mink market. I am also fully aware of the prices last auction, which were better than I expected. I'm not going to argue with you on this thread on everything I write

[blackhammer]

Wild mink aren't ranch mink. Different product and I don't care if your talking about ranch wild. No one knows when the market improves, no one. Groeny shook his head when talking about interent board fur market experts. No one has any idea what happens in the next few years.

[musher]

The fur market has always gone up and down. And it happens very quick;y. I expect that this downturn is no exception and the prices will eventually rise.

[mustelameister]

agreed

if I was trapping private property, I'd be gathering more properties

as it is, I'm a lowly public waters trapper, and I've been fine tuning my mink and 'rat sets these past two seasons

time to take the plunger to the 'coon and flush 'em out!

[trappnman]

speaking of properties- Its taken me decades to get all the private property permissions I have- some I could let go a year, but others- if I'm not there, might not be open. more and more people think they are coyote trappers, and I have more trying to get permissions where 10 years ago it was unheard of.

[RdFx]

Ditto, Steve on your last post, the influx of new yote trappers is something else. In my area i can attribute it to my trapper ed classes but most of them only do it a year or two and the newness and skinning cold yotes wears on them and they quit. I get my permissions back then.

[bblwi]

I live where the fur that is common to trap is not valuable fur to catch in the current market, so no I am not going to target, female fisher (one tag every other year or so), bobcats, ( a tag every 14 years or so) and these are WI cats worth about $50 instead of $350, otter as a tag maybe, white bellied coyotes from the alpine regions of the Rockies etc. Coon, rats, eastern yotes, wild mink and some reds will be what I trap. So the decision for me would be to target say rats versus coons or not trap. If I am going to lose money trapping I would much rather lose money trapping rats then coons.
As to wild mink that market can move fast as in reality there are not a lot of wild mink sold compared to many other wild furs and the Italians still buy the best of the best wild mink. The nice thing about mink trapping is that one can set out say a 150 mile line with say 100 stops with 200-250 sets and maybe catch say 40 mink in 10 days. The big hurt is gas money one sure does not have a lot of work to do putting up 4 mink a day. The misery part of that line would be the 100 or so incidental coons that one will probably catch due to lower harvests this last year.

Bryce

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One less Italian as of yesterday-

"Armani goes fur free after years of lobbying by animal rights groups
Campaigners hail designer’s agreement to stop using fur for all products from autumn/winter 2016 collection"
A Giorgio Armani ensemble on the catwalk.
A Giorgio Armani ensemble on the catwalk. Photograph: Chris Weeks/FilmMagic

"Armani to stop using fur in its designs
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Italian fashion designer Giorgio Armani says his company will stop using fur as technological progress means there is no longer any justification for such cruelty to animals.

Armani says the decision reflects his brand's attention to "the critical issues of caring for the environment and animals".

The Fur Free Alliance says the announcement is proof "compassion and innovation are the future of fashion."

Armani follows other major labels such as Hugo Boss, Tommy Hilfiger and Calvin Klein, in going fur-free."