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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 17, 2016 17:45:51 GMT -6
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Post by bblwi on Mar 17, 2016 21:22:58 GMT -6
I stated that even with over a decade of stagnation japan still is a major manufacturing nation and the 5th or 6th largest economy in the World. That is not too shabby when things are not going well. If you would look at the USA during WW11 what % of the US GDP was government? The government was huge and the private sector provided the equipment and manpower to get that done. So in all reality a large government is not necessarily a bad thing or bad economics. What is bad is poor, inefficient or divided government and then they run just like poorly managed businesses or from a larger perspective poorly run private sectors as a whole. It is interesting that when we spend money to lift up millions in poverty, that is a bad thing but we subsidize and bailout businesses constantly and that is a good thing. Why are people less worthy than an LLC or a corporation?
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Mar 18, 2016 7:44:15 GMT -6
before I list my sources- lets put some money on it.
Me? I'll both name my candidate, and I'll back up the facts I post, with $$$$
what say you?
since you claim you post facts- my offer should be a no brainer-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 18, 2016 8:06:38 GMT -6
Tman a simple request to post the source of your copy and paste is all I am asking. If you choose not to share so be it.
The tax foundation has spent time and money on the facts with Bernie and his change to policies and programs. None of which add up to a positve for our country that I can see.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 18, 2016 11:22:01 GMT -6
When will you realize that Bernie is not the issue for the near or far term. If he is that high on your list as anti American and that likely to succeed yes there will be change quickly and very dramatic for sure, but I don't see that coming soon if ever. With every law that is created we reduce some person's or groups freedom and we expand others by how the riders to the bills and laws are added.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 18, 2016 14:53:55 GMT -6
Because Bernie is the extreme example of the left, yet Hillary is on the same page she is just back a few paragraphs. More central govt dependence and more taxation those are here top things correct? i looked on her website, camping fianance reform LOL.
Riders on bills should be outlawed you vote on a bill it should be for that topic and that topic only. Period IMO. Take each thing as it's own entity not piggy backing stuff that really has nothing to do with what is voted on at the time. More pork and crazy spending. We need a transparent govt and people are sick of the dealings that take place in DC that we should all agree on.
Again their are good laws and bad laws not all attack the constitution or the amendments as such. Too many want to try and dissolve the bill of rights and the constitution.
I want more control at the state level and far less federal involvement period. That should sum it up.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 19, 2016 6:34:13 GMT -6
how very interesting- TC always comes up with things he calls facts, to be against what we post as facts.
since its a battle of the "facts"- I think a good way to eliminate the "fake facts" from the true facts- is to put money on it.
but TC refuses.
point, game, and match
and everytime you demand an argument- when I TRY to do that- you go off on some tangent and that's understandable- you don't have anything to back up what you say
and be consistent- you cry and cry about how terrible socialism is- and when I point out that the Coyote control program is PURE socialism, and the schools are as well- you come up with " I don't believe that's socialism"-
and saying that, shows me you have zero concept of what the word means-
now, if you do answer this- it will be with another red herring-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 20, 2016 7:06:46 GMT -6
Tman you make me laugh. The true information has been posted and is there for all to see. I too posted dept of labor data, yet you are calling those numbers not factual? Ok. Again you pick the arguments for your side that show a favorable light I have been trying to post information from sources in the middle.
Go off on tangents LOL? This thread is about gun control look how it was moved and by whom?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 20, 2016 7:50:44 GMT -6
Go off on tangents LOL? This thread is about gun control look how it was moved and by whom?
seriously? that's like Trump saying he doesn't promote violence
but no tangent- lets keep it to gun control and we will ignore al lthe red herrings oyu pulled ut of the sea- but lets but $20 on each "fact"-
just to keep us honest-
so 'fact" away!
or let me start-
Fact #1- the GOP under President Bush, tried to limit the 2nd amendment to apply JUST to militias. If GOP President Geo Bush would have succeeded, the 2nd Amendment would have been determined by the court, to NOT APPLY to PRIVATE CITIZENS per se.
Fact #2- the BRADY bill- was created under the GOP
those damn demo..whoops...republicans and their assault on the 2nd
so come on- after my "what already happened" facts, wow me with some speculation
cause don't call them facts, unless you can prove it
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 20, 2016 14:15:42 GMT -6
The Brady Bill was changed to have the wait period reworked only way it passed. I think you will agree not many Americans will complain about an instant background check which was designed and implemented by republics not democrats. Look it up. While your looking things up look at the votes on every anti gun bill brought up,in the last 30 years and see who votes for such in a majority democrats or republicans. The facts are easy on this issue. Look who put in a ban on AR and magazines and who recinded such. Look at who wants to put it back in place and who does not.
Look at every state and those with the toughest gun control laws in the nation and who they elect and how they vote, look at who says these tough guns laws reduce violent crime and the FBI and other facts that say it is all hog wash. Does nothing to reduce violent crime period.
Your trying to argue something that you have no facts to back it up with. I mean really. Anyone can look at the data and see the Liberial left is far worse for the legal gun ownership in this country and than any republican and the outcomes of such votes. Anyone who votes on these issues for a candidate cannot with a straight face say the liberials are the ones I want protecting my 2nd amendment rights good grief.
I could post much data and the voting records on all gun bills and you would still be holding the course LOL. The NRA which cares about the rights of Americans when it comes to firearms gives each person a grade see on the majority which party grades out better. They give reasons for the grades as well. Factual voting records in fact.
If you asked gun owners across the board on the issue of 2nd amendment and protecting such who would you votes for on that issue how many people would pick Hillary or Berine?
Not many who are pro gun rights .
The risk in campaigning on gun control, of course, is that it could galvanize the gun-rights crowd even more than gun-control supporters. The NRA’s base is a solid voting block, and a motivated one. According to Gallup, while 40 percent of anti-gun control voters would only support a candidate who shares their views, just 21 percent of pro-gun-control voters say they’d make their choices exclusively on the issue.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 20, 2016 17:30:44 GMT -6
You want to know why I am for more state control than the central govt? Hers is another reason why. This would have got tied up at the federal level for years, those are just the facts now because of some work for the republicans and the NRA common sense and protective legislation for legal gun owners prevail,once again in another state! Washington, DC – -(Ammoland.com)- The 2016 Virginia Legislative Session has come to a close and included the passage of historic firearm legislation. On February 26 2016, legislation was signed into law to address the Attorney General’s arbitrary cancellation of concealed carry reciprocity agreements with 25 states. House Bill 1163 and Senate Bill 610, patroned by Delegate Michael Webert (R-18) and state Senator Bryce Reeves (R-17), will recognize all valid out-of-state concealed carry permits. This legislation will also require the Virginia State Police to enter into reciprocal agreements with certain states so they will recognize Virginia’s concealed carry permit. Virginia’s new total recognition law will go into effect on July 1, 2016. Last week, the Governor’s proposed amendments for Senate Bill 626 and House Bill 766 were rejected and the bills were sent back to the Governor’s desk for his final consideration. Governor McAuliffe’s recommendations would have completely negated the intended purpose of the bills. Patroned by state Senator Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-27) and Delegate Todd Gilbert (R-15), SB 626 /HB 766 would allow the petitioner of a protective order to temporarily conceal carry without a permit, thus affording them immediate self-defense options while waiting for their carry permit to be approved. Senate Bill 626 and House Bill 766 are now heading back to the Governor’s desk in their original form. House Bill 1096 also heads to the Governor’s desk for his consideration. Patroned by Delegate Michael Webert (R-18), HB 1096 would prohibit any state entity from adopting or enforcing any rule, regulation, policy, or administrative action governing the purchase, possession, transfer, ownership, carrying, storage, or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combinations thereof unless expressly authorized by statute. The bill invalidates any such rule, regulation, policy, or administrative action adopted by a state entity prior to July 1, 2016. Thank you to the NRA members and Second Amendment supporters who contacted their lawmakers this session. Your NRA will continue to keep you informed of all legislation and will fight for your Second Amendment rights in the Commonwealth of Virginia! About: Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Visit: www.nra.org
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Post by trappnman on Mar 22, 2016 6:47:59 GMT -6
no, I don't want to know why you want more state govt- could care less-
what I do want, is for oyu to stick with an issue rather than dunking and hidng.
and I don't care about knicky knacky stuff-
the GOP, under President Bush, in the last decade, led the biggest assault on the 2nd in 200 years -trying to once and all define the 2nd as applying ONLY to militias.
private ownership granted by the Constitution, would have been gone.
Forever.
Under the GOP.
You worry about monsters under your bed- I'll keep an eye on the monster who showed its ugly side- and that GOP, you count as your friend?
talk about burying your head in the sand.
my dad had a saying that really applies to you- you would bite off your nose, just to spite your face. good God- wake up
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 22, 2016 19:46:55 GMT -6
Tman you keep bringing up the same Bush thought he had zero control and gave what HE thought was best, if you think he didn't have a clue on how the court would decide ? Then I have some swamp land and bridges to sell you. If Bush where so anti gun he could have kept the AR ban going, as well as the magazine ban and or other bans. Good grief.
You keep saying the GOP is at fault for gun control LOL. If it were not for conservative justices that outcome would have been different FACT look at the vote break down! Jeesh man. You can keep bringing up Bush while the rest of the democrats keep looking at ways to take away gun rights and freedoms from legal gun owners. I will keep an eye on those who can make real change and bad change to gun ownership in this country.
How do I know this? Easy look up the voting records and who is talking gun control and who is talking of protecting the 2nd amendment. Easy to see. You won't speak to it because you know where Bernie and Hillary stand on guns and legal ownership.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 23, 2016 6:34:23 GMT -6
you really do make me laugh-
now Bush argued for it, but pinned his hopes on a secret wish the court would rule against him.
sorry- that's....dumb to be pc
yes, I know exactly where Bernie stands on guns- do YOU?
if so- please, state them here
I'm like Lucy and the football- I know you never answer a direct question, but I hope against hope
-- if you can't comprehend what I post, then reread it. I get very tired, of you coming to conclusions that have absolutely no basis in facto f anything I've ever posted.
for example-
You keep saying the GOP is at fault for gun control LOL
which is bullshite- not only do I not keep saying it, I've never said it
so here is an ultimatum-= either take that back and admit you were wrong, or prove I said it with my quote-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 25, 2016 6:17:48 GMT -6
Really read the your post, you will keep an eye on the top when it comes to gun issues, word games Tman word games. So do you feel the democrats are responsible for the majority of anti gun legislation yes or no?
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Post by trappnman on Mar 25, 2016 7:51:20 GMT -6
not word games- just another example of you misreading something, then misquoting it.
its called being honest
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 26, 2016 6:10:51 GMT -6
Do you feel the democrats are responsable for the majority of gun co for laws enacted in the US yes or no?
Also a good decision the other day supporting AR's in the future as well by the Supreme Court. So we shall see if Hillary or Berine try to take away AR rifles as they should fit nicely under the ruling on stun guns in the state of Massachusetts . key for pro gun ownership.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 26, 2016 13:11:16 GMT -6
boogy men, boogy men- run TC, run!
rather run from boogymen then face reality
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 27, 2016 6:16:30 GMT -6
Votes are votes and they are no boogey men they are just issues that with a majority of republican votes get stopped the majority of the time and we need to thank him all for protecting our 2nd amendment rights and also the Supreme Court for their ruling adding more teeth to the heller case the other day.
Yet some think it is ok to sue a gun maker for making a legal product.......................
The fight goes on against the liberials on the issues of the 2nd amendment. No boogey men just issues to tackle and defeat.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 27, 2016 7:47:50 GMT -6
Bernie voted against that bill- but hey, whats another fact- just something else for you to ignore
such as the fact that a Geo W bush GOP White House, launched a thankfully unsuccessful assault on the 2nd, attempting to once and for all define it as applying ONLY to militias.
The GOP did that- if the Dems and Obama would have done that, you would have had a heart attack from the high blood pressure oyu would be getting from screaming about it at the top of your lungs.
but as in the past, you ignore facts instead relying on boogymen under the bed scare tactics.
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