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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Aug 3, 2014 20:14:15 GMT -6
branch Rickey was a man that had a great eye on the game of baseball, from the first farm teams in St. Louis to the batting helmet to bringing up Jackie Robinson. Yet what 42 went through in those days and trying to compare that with the year 2014 and Sam telling people he is gay is a far,far stretch of resemblance for sure! Gay and lesbians have it far easier in this day an age than did Jackie Robinson playing Americas game during years of segregation. Even though some would like to see this on the same plane NO way Sam is NO Jackie Robinson. Good grief ..................
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Post by trappnman on Aug 4, 2014 7:22:11 GMT -6
vick got what he deserved
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Post by Jarhead620 on Aug 4, 2014 7:42:46 GMT -6
You are right on tc. I was 12 years old when Jackie Robinson started for the Brooklyn Dodgers and I was a serious MLB fan. Never mind that my beloved Cubs were perennial National League cellar dwellers. To compare what Jackie went through with the Sam drama show is absurd and an example of PC gone off the rails, as is any comparison of their relative historical importance.
Jarhead
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Post by Jarhead620 on Aug 4, 2014 8:00:00 GMT -6
vick got what he deserved
I respectfully disagree. It was more like throwing a black man in prison to appease the wailing animal rights zealots and those who think more of their dogs than they do of a man's freedom. I feel very strongly about this, but that doesn't mean that I support the continuation of dog fighting. What I'm saying is that Vick's punishment was way out of proportion to his involvement in this outdated cultural activity.
Jarhead
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Post by PamIsMe on Aug 4, 2014 10:41:47 GMT -6
Gay guys having been playing in the NFL and all other sports for years. Unlike Jackie Robinson, they just didn't look any different than the other players. I think it did take some courage for Mays to "come out", but the reason he could is that the tide is turning and gays are being accepted like anyone else. Jackie Robinson was a first, and early in the anti-segregation movement. No comparison there.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by bblwi on Aug 4, 2014 12:56:54 GMT -6
Branch Rickey changed a league, a sport, a nation and a culture for all time with the strong will of Jackie and others that followed. Mays has really changed nothing as of yet so the comparison from my perspective is way larger than just being bashed or trashed. Branch Rickey put his reputation and assets at risk and changed the culture of our nation.
Bryce
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Post by trappnman on Aug 5, 2014 7:43:24 GMT -6
Jarhead- and I respectfully disagree as well-now, if he was the only one put in prison for this, then you have a point-
but if its prison you object to for promoting/participating in dog fighting, then I disagree- I hold those that are cruel to animals in the same low regard as those cruel to people-
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Post by Jarhead620 on Aug 5, 2014 9:27:44 GMT -6
Well, some of the AR types were screaming for life in prison and making death threats, so based on that scale you might say he got off easy. In many dog fighting cases the dog fighting is just a part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. In Vick's case he was not implicated in anything except supporting the dog fighting facility and some participation in it's operation. To my knowledge he had no prior convictions of significance. So, I believe he should have received a substantial fine, foreiture of associated property, and probation, in addition to sactions by the NFL, but no prison time. Of course Federal Prosecutors tend to go hard on celebrities in order to further their own careers.
Jarhead
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