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Post by blackhammer on Jul 17, 2014 8:49:27 GMT -6
Plan on going to some Bridger dogless threes or fours offsets. Will offsets lose me many coon? Also opinions on four coil or not?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 17, 2014 8:52:37 GMT -6
paul, I do not believe with a #3 and #4 trap, that the offset has any bearing on coon, beyond those very few you catch just by the tip of the pad.
I lose maybe 2 coon a year in offset montanas that I'm guessing might have been there in non offset traps
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 9:36:18 GMT -6
I am not a coon trapper but certainly catch plenty in my #3 & $4 OS even with the double lams. I've always figured the hold is so high up the leg that the OS seemed not to make a difference except that there seems to very little chewing, possibly due to the fact there must not be any numbness. I realize the coon has a tapered leg BUT with a high hold up on the leg, what with the thickness of the leg bone PLUS the muscle and fur in relation to the width of the OS, I figure the OS is a moot point. Now if you catch them by the paw, all bets are off if not due to the width of the OS, to the coon's muzzle to jaw opening access, gone coon then!
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Post by bogio on Jul 17, 2014 10:38:49 GMT -6
#3 Montys with a 1/4 inch offset and 1/4 inch lamination here. Rear end they are generally there, front end it is a crapshoot and I contribute that to the large area under the jaws giving access, not to the offset.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 17, 2014 16:24:07 GMT -6
I agree never- the larger trap negates the offset-
I don't have a lot of chewing either way- I think its the high catch combined with the offset
but am adamant about not using 1.75s, 1.5 offsets if coon are a target as well- the smaller the trap, the more the losses
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 17, 2014 19:16:00 GMT -6
Main issue would be a heavy trap on a coon but in all reality nothing can be done about it, and yes as others have stated they hold most coons for your arrival.
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Post by blackhammer on Jul 17, 2014 20:25:03 GMT -6
Thanks guys!
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Post by braveheart on Jul 18, 2014 4:59:03 GMT -6
Not much of a problem with coon with the big iron.I get a lot of back foot catches and the front once in a while.Pretty much everything stays caught.The Victor Montgomery 3-4 off set work good for me.You should check them out before you get the Bridger's.Going to pick up several Dz. more at the Minn. Convention I personally like the 4's better but that is me.
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Post by RonMarsh on Jul 18, 2014 5:34:43 GMT -6
My experience is 1/4" offsets let a lot of front paw catches go. Several as I was walking up to the set. 3/16 offsets held well.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 18, 2014 6:24:10 GMT -6
what size traps Ron?
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Post by RonMarsh on Jul 18, 2014 14:00:21 GMT -6
1 1/2 and 1 3/4
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 19, 2014 6:31:33 GMT -6
I would agree with traps that size that 1/4 offset would be a little too much if coons are something your looking to maximize while coyote trapping. Lower jaw reach and more of a custom offset, most factory traps have less than 1/4 offset in those size due to stamped out jaws and flexing of such in the process.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 19, 2014 7:09:27 GMT -6
yes, very much agree Ron- on the small traps, with lower foot hold, offsets lose a lot of coon, IMO
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 20, 2014 14:02:48 GMT -6
IMO 1/4" offsets are pretty much useless unless one is strictly targeting coyotes. 3/16" is perfect for a multi species trap.
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Post by blackhammer on Jul 20, 2014 14:09:34 GMT -6
IMO 1/4" offsets are pretty much useless unless one is strictly targeting coyotes. 3/16" is perfect for a multi species trap. Todd are the Bridgers dogless 1/4 inch? Can't seem to find specs on MTP's site. |
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 20, 2014 14:39:21 GMT -6
The new 2s and threes are now 1/4". I was told the 1.65s and 1.75s are staying 3/16".
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 20, 2014 17:03:09 GMT -6
Not near as many issues wiith the larger traps Because they grab higher and get more leg than pad of a coon. Run some pan tension and one shouldn't loose many coon in a 3 Bridger offset . A few sure but not many.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 20, 2014 19:02:02 GMT -6
The Duke 1.75 has a pretty narrow offset and it has been very good on incidental coon on the canine line for me. I have all the confidence in the world for them holding coyotes but the misses are higher when compared to a bigger trap.
Me, personally, if I wanted to target coyotes I would choose the best coyote trap and just accept the coon losses. If I had that many coon on the canine line where the loss was substantial I would probably be making coon specific sets along the way anyway.
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Post by blackhammer on Jul 20, 2014 19:33:09 GMT -6
My main concern would be coon and fox. I'm planning on trying more legholds in trails and mafia type things and I want the biger jawspread more than anything and the bigger pan would be nice. Bigger trap also will break through better in bad conditions and allow a little less attention needed whan covering with grass and ground duff.
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Post by CoonDuke on Jul 20, 2014 19:56:36 GMT -6
I really like the Duke #3 offset in that situation. That trap is really wide but with a #2 sized jawspread. IMO that works well when you pretty much know the approach and can put the animal between the jaws. Same theory with a wide beaver trap and putting them between the jaws instead of over. The trap holds what gets in it and is very paw friendly on fox.
Another option is a Bridger #2 regular jaw with a Step Down PIT pan. I like that trap better for dirt trapping for the only reason that it takes a smaller bed and it saves me time when trying to get a bunch out.
If I had easy digging soil I would probably run nothing but #3 Duke offsets.
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