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Post by trappnman on Feb 28, 2013 8:53:00 GMT -6
RE: the pics in another tread of opening a rat similar to coon, by cutting from ankle to a point up on the belly, to get belly fur on the back I have never heard of that. but then I never heard of the coon cut, until I heard it  I've always done them by standing on tail, grabbing leg and cutting from ankle to base of tail on belly side, repeat. is this the new way to do them? A source close to NAFA tells me that no, NAFA does not want them this way, and the correct cut is the old school way. now wileytraper trust me on this, I'm not busting your balls and I see your logic, and I thank you for posting the pics- but its idea that I think should be discussed a bit more plus or minus any thoughts? |
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Post by TrapperRon on Feb 28, 2013 12:30:11 GMT -6
This is what my take on it is, and it is only my opinion. The cut shown in the picture takes a bit too much of the belly fur. If that cut were in line with the anus it then follows the hair colour change and that fur would look like it belonged with the back. Too far down and the shorter lighter coloured belly fur is out of place on the back.
Some applications of the final product in the manufacturing process require all of that light belly fur left on the belly.
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Post by wileytrapper on Feb 28, 2013 14:21:58 GMT -6
RE: now wileytraper trust me on this, I'm not busting your balls and I see your logic, and I thank you for posting the pics- but its idea that I think should be discussed a bit more plus or minus any thoughts? No offense taken and I welcome all discussion or input to answer questions any of us may have. I want to get the most of my fur. Although the cut does not show it well I did follow the long hair/short hair line but it also was slightly above the anus. I too will try to get more input from my depot agent about it. He has been with NAFA for a long time. |
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Feb 28, 2013 17:11:29 GMT -6
That's the way I've been skinning bobcats for a few years if I understand what you're saying
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Post by seldom on Feb 28, 2013 18:15:00 GMT -6
This is what my take on it is, and it is only my opinion. The cut shown in the picture takes a bit too much of the belly fur. If that cut were in line with the anus it then follows the hair colour change and that fur would look like it belonged with the back. Too far down and the shorter lighter coloured belly fur is out of place on the back. Some applications of the final product in the manufacturing process require all of that light belly fur left on the belly. Yes, that has always been my opening cut as Ron described ("ankle-anus + ankle-anus + anus-tail") which has brought me several Top Lot rats over the years. Getting questions answered concerning grading processes can put $$ in your pocket OR avoid costing you $$! I experimented with half of my Feburary sale NAFA coyotes this year by using a different board(Saskatchewan origin) which I thought made my coyote's manes/necks look absolutely fantastic!! BUT-BUT-BUT by my Lotting letter, the Grader didn't think as I did so I believe those coyotes got nicked. Sometimes being a "free-thinker" is a positive and other times a negative, irregardless nothing ventured, nothing gained! Thanks to all that have posted on this thread!  |
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Post by northof50 on Feb 28, 2013 19:40:44 GMT -6
All that I can say is the Sask form pusher, had his yotes selected into the top 2 grades, and he never made into the top..... because... they were not consistant with the others.
You have to see those SW Sask/SE Alberta / Montana yotes to realize what $200 to $1400 does really look like
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Post by claythomas on Mar 1, 2013 8:10:46 GMT -6
50,
200-1400...what are you refering to?
Clay
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Post by TrapperRon on Mar 2, 2013 20:54:02 GMT -6
I don't think we can talk about $1400 coyotes being a norm. It is a promotional select lot of 8 skins selected from the Heavy XL-L *Sel lot. So what should be referring to is what these Heavy Sel coyotes in the $150 to $195 range look like compared to others.
They are the heavy furred, light leather, complete, silky, pale bellied coyotes. Does not have much to do with exactly where your cut them. Just follow the hair colour change is my advice, which on a coyote should be just ahead of the anus maybe 2 inches at most. There is no advantage to making that coyote an inch and a half longer.
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Mar 4, 2013 7:01:45 GMT -6
Back to the opening cut on rats. I use a long knife and stick it from ankle to ankle. One swift opening cut.
My best time was 19 seconds. I know that guys have done faster.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 4, 2013 7:22:01 GMT -6
so stepping on one, and cutting to the other-are you cutting across on the belly then?
I don't know how fast I could skin one if all I cared about was getting rat off of carcass and leaving it to the flesher- but just normal skinning, if I really hustle I can get one done in under a minite, but day in and day out its about a min and half
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Post by mostinterestingmanintheworld on Mar 16, 2013 21:42:50 GMT -6
Knife goes in one ankle out the other just pull up to the base of the tail. Sharp knife is best.
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Post by seldom on Mar 17, 2013 8:16:19 GMT -6
50, 200-1400...what are you refering to? Clay Clay, 50 and I hijacked the thread momentarily about getting grading questions answered forthright and were refering to coyote boards. Sorry to confuse folks. I will though, push the hijack envelope a little further by asking if the Sask form-pusher had around 200(?) coyote in the 2nd & 3rd lots but no Top Lots you are saying 50 that by him using the "bottle-neck" board prevented any of those 200 from Top Lot consideration? OR was it because he used the "bottle-neck" boarding that got all of his coyotes that high?  |
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