Hey Marty

[bogio]

You think a little Woolite would brighten and fluff this one up for me?

[foxman]

Beginning stages of mange??

[mostinterestingmanintheworld]

Just broke, too late to be trapping coyotes for fur. Probably 50% of them are shot by now.

[bogio]

True, it is late. However the dog boys will continue to kill them here until at least March. Soooo.......

[braveheart]

I look at as a cotton mink it still a mink and that is still a coyote.

[Possum]

Since there are no open range cattle or sheep here and barely enough habitat for gophers to survive, there's little need for predator control. I prefer to "use" the coyotes for my sport and not abuse them.

[trappnman]

I don't know why any state would have a season on coyotes.

I'm just wondering- how is using the pelt, any more or less abuse to the coyote, than not using it?

and coyotes late is no different from people trapping mink into Feb, or those taking coon with rubs or weak bellies early or late- its all whats a value to you.

If I could afford to run a negative income trapline, I'd be trapping coyotes now

[thorsmightyhammer]

Jan 19, 2013 18:57:59 GMT -6 mostinterestingmanintheworld said:

Just broke, too late to be trapping coyotes for fur. Probably 50% of them are shot by now.

Not up here.

2 on the stretcher 3 days ago.

One is a dandy and the other is a dandy except for he's got a little red fox in him lol.

Coyotes here will have value until mid to late february.

[Possum]

One reason to have a season on coyotes is to foil anti-trappers. One of our mantras is that trapping is a tool wildlife agencies can use to manage wild populations. I realize there are so few trappers and so many coyotes that a 365 day season won't much affect the population. The same can be said for most furbearers. Establishing a closed season when the pelts are of low value at least gives the impression that there's some thought given to management and that trapping is a "regulated" activity.

[Possum]

I should have chosen other words besides use and abuse. I "use" every coyote I catch. I did pitch one that was so mangy it had open sores and probably only 1/3 the normal amount of hair it should have. I considered it a mercy killing but I still hated to toss it. My point was from another post that said the guys hunting them with dogs or running them with sleds and pick-ups aren't quitting so why should trappers quit. If what the hunters are doing is legal, doesn't hurt the population and they can live with what they are doing, I've no problem with their activity. That doesn't mean I should keep on trapping when I know a large portion of what I catch is going to be worthless.

[trappincoyotes39]

Each to their own but I have been trying to get MO to have a year round trapping season on coyotes just as they have year round hunting, minus turkey season.

In SD the only critters to have a season where mink,weasel and bobcats in the western plains region and populations of any other species where not effected by year round open seasons. Predator control was an issue but still with all the influances on such still plenty of critters to be had . Most fur trappers will wait until some value is to be had and the rest allows people to control unwanted critters without a bunch of hoopla.

With coyotes there is no biological NEED to have a closed time portion. To kill or not is an individual preference. But has no bearing on the justification of a season.

[trappnman]

mn had continous seasons on coon and fox for a period not to long ago- the reason being there was NO biological or management reason for having closed seasons, and esp with coon the dnr was dealing with damage complaints, removal, permits so commonsense dictated seasons, but continous, similar to many fishing seasons.

a good system, fur was taken when it had value, and damage control was done at will.

that changed because of some very weak minded jealous indicviduals that lied and played politics, to get it changed backed to closed seasons.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman Iowa has been that way for years and I tried with no avail there as the powers that be on the ITA board don't want an open coon season which makes zero sense as distemper will do far more than a year round season.

They said if we have an open coyote trapping season to many coons would be harvested having an impact LOL. No biological thought what so ever, as Iowa is the coon capitol non sense and they wanted to stay status quot.

Many states have old school thoughts. Doesn't make it biologically sound..................

Every other species that has too many in the population what do states do? They increase days, add methods, and give out more or unlimited tags. Silly really.

Mo talks about the ever rising coyote population and what can be done to cut them back? You can hunt year round why not allow year round trapping? That has been my question.

At some point they will have to face the issue. Or allow mange to do what they don't want to really is that simple.

[bogio]

If one chooses to end their season due to a probability of a higher percentage of poor fur quality animals, that is their prerogative and I find no fault with that. I feel that my OVERALL coyote quality has improved with a heavy take.

An animal such as the one pictured can be taken at any time through the course of an average season here. It is not just a late season problem. I have been lucky this season in that my coyotes have been better than I normally see. I have always tried to make use of every animal but as with anything that occurs in nature, no two are the same and some are quite inferior.

My statement about the dog hunters taking them so I will continue to is the choice I make. I ENJOY TRAPPING COYOTES. This is my fishing, or football, or golf, or whatever other pursuit is out there and I will do it as long as I can.

[trappnman]

If I had a real job, and leftover time, I'd still be out there-

I don't need to make a lot of money trapping them, but I can't lose money doing so.

one of my last jobs was working 1-9, so that gave me mornings, and I had a skinner in my brother in law- so I trapped low key all jan- but damn is it hard most years- access problems, drifting problems, plus less coyotes- more days than not I was redoing traps with no coyotes.

I have no problem with anyone trapping them anytime, and for sure you are getting enough skinnable fur to keep you going.

[blackhammer]

They are the only animal I have no problem with no season on only because I dislike what I perceive to be the damage they cause to wildlife in general. And to another point they are about impossible to erridicate. But you could use the same logic on coon if you wanted.But the problem with that was weak minded individuals trapping them in late Sept and being too stupid to realize they had no value and too dumb to stop. I liked setting during the week in mid October but I see the point of havig a season as well. I for one consider killing furbearing animals with no value and wasting them against my personal beliefs. Mr coyote is the exception to that rule. It would be interesting to see the effect of say hundred dollar yotes would have on our population. It would be cool for you canine trappers see those prices on Mn coyotes.

[trappnman]

blackhammer- one year, during the last week of Sept, befoer te 30 day opener limitation o nwater, I was called and was told that my buyer would take 100 coon, at $8 per if I could get them there that week- I trapped 87 in 3 nights- and was more than happy with the $696 for 4 days work.

but that was an exception I agree

I heard all those stories about people trapping them by the 100s in aug and early sept- never a name to go with it, but I heard it at every MTA meeting I went to, and I'm guessing if you went during those times you did as well.

and my point ws simply this- first of all, I doubt if anyone was trapping hundreds of coon early
and for sure not doing it year after year as claimed- but if they were- then theri doing so, had some value for THEM. Whether to rid farmers of bothersome coon to get hunting or future trapping rights, for the meat, for whatever reason- it had value to them, or they wouldn't do it- and certainly not more than once if no value.

I too started in mid oct- and had very saleable coon- but I was told, by those same folk- that it was wrong to trap those early coon, when they had more value in early dec.

and by gosh they were right- their 10 coon WERE better than my early coon-

I don't think $100 would have much effect on the overall population. It takes too much time and work, to catch coyotes in any amount of numbers. You might get less wasted, but I don't think such an increase would dramatically change the totals killed every year to any point where a population loss would be noticed.

heres a question- what makes something a furbearer demanding controls on season etc, and not a pest? In Mn, skunks and wesals are considered in the same catagory as coyotes- unprotected, no seasons.

Should there be seasons on those as well?

[BadDog]

Yuck

[ksboy2]

i am still getting some nice ones... hips are showing the first signs of thinning....

[ksboy2]

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