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Post by trappnman on Nov 11, 2012 7:53:58 GMT -6
The NTA will never take a stand, and God forbid they give up a big $$$ state for a convention on principle.
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Post by thebeav2 on Nov 11, 2012 9:06:22 GMT -6
He even smells like a fox
The spin thing was about the statement you can't trap fur bearers In WY.
I believe you went to WY and trapped fox and coyotes.
This law suite is way more advantageous to Mn residents then It Is to any non resident.
Sitting on ones hands Is not going to get It done.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Nov 11, 2012 15:42:44 GMT -6
Now that I know who my elected officials will be I'm gonna work on em hard to try and get it passed through the legislature.
I'm not gonna rely on the outcome of a judges opinion or an appeal if we were to prevail.
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Post by bblwi on Nov 11, 2012 19:49:10 GMT -6
Help me here if you feel my track is wrong. To me the inner state commerce approach is more about the resource or the commerce potential than the trapper or the harvester. Commerce implies trade, sales, etc. and does not speak to who or whom. The issue then is who is entitled to a resource within the USA borders. States or municipalities can and do restrict use and who and whom but to me when one approaches this issue from a resource or commodity approach it focus on that resource and not those that harvest.
Bryce
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Post by motrapperjohn on Nov 12, 2012 11:05:40 GMT -6
BAsic point is that a state cannot overly restrict or prevent a NR comming into that state to work or seek employment.
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Post by badlandsbilly on Nov 12, 2012 15:33:34 GMT -6
Non residents never done a thing to me.My best coyote season in N.E. Montana was 331 in legholds traps,it was too warm to snare much that year.High catch on coyotes was 23 in a day in leghold traps.Caught 323 in muskrats in 3 days in the 60's in legholds while in High School.Never had many/any bobcats to trap without travelling a long way and my coon catches have been incidentals.Never had many coons until I moved here to SD.Ain't lazy just old and crippled up now.
My problem with NR lawsuits is State rights.We have enough legal intervention into state business by the FEDs.We don't need more people,especially trappers, meddling in the laws of other states.If you think we don't have enough laws and regulations now I fear for your mental status,all of you that think this way.If the suits win what do you think the anti's are going to do?If you think they aren't watching this guess again.There is a greater good for the future of trapping here.I just found out I'm going to be a Grandpa.I'd like to have to opportunity for my grand kids to trap.Is the monetary value of out of state fur great enough to outweigh the lose of trapping this could usher in?
I have been involved in trapping regulations as an officer in a state trapping organization.I have seen the mentality that is prevalent with a lot of individuals in the organization at this level.If you think it's for the trappers best interest your sorrowly wrong.It is an attitude of compromise and "we have to get along".I'm tired of losing tools,having more regulations and other mandates shoved down trappers throats.You guys push and support the law suits.When the anti's use this against us please don't whine.Are the law suits driven by ego and greed?I have no idea.I don't really care either.As our Irish brothers say"I'm done with this shite."
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Post by motrapperjohn on Nov 12, 2012 17:23:11 GMT -6
Yes, we also are sick and tired of it. For several years the majority of SD trappers fought to get it opened up to NRs so they could go out of state, the same has been going on inMN for several years. And this is whats going on in several states as we speak, there is talk of going recipical with the same regs and rules as those that restrict NR. There sure is a lot of SD trappers, Including some of the 13, that sure dont mind heading to ND to trap. There is talk of that stopping also. So talk about more rules! SD started this crap. Congrats on the Gramp thing. And I know all about the ackes and pains
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Post by trappnman on Nov 12, 2012 17:34:07 GMT -6
lets be real fair here John- a lot of this stuff started because of a select minority of big mouthed assholes on the internet- bragging and jabbing- and not just once or maybe twice as normal- but made a career out of it
SD reaction was wrong- but lets be honest- understandable
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Post by bobbrennan on Nov 12, 2012 17:39:12 GMT -6
I believe we are better off as trappers if we have an opportunity to trap all states you can bet you will get support from non res trappers as opposed to devide and conker mentality where you go it alone. every state that looses trapping rites sets up the next one if you dont believe me look at the laws in most states for body grips,snares, and foot holds!
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Post by calvin on Nov 12, 2012 18:03:08 GMT -6
I/m not worried about the antis or feds messing up my trapping. Seems the only harm anyone has ever done to me and my trapping has come from other trappers and or other sportsmen. Mainly trappers, though.
All my trapping expenses and profits go through the tax man and the IRS (Oh no...the FEDS). They already know exactly what I/m doing.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Nov 12, 2012 21:18:15 GMT -6
Steve, I disagree.
It didnt help but I dont think it was the cause.
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Post by motrapperjohn on Nov 13, 2012 7:29:45 GMT -6
Too much talk on the internet ( bragging) was a lot of it. That caused a lot of jelousy, then the greed and selfishness set in. That is what set the restrictions to NR in motion. Simple as that. I will never trap, or should I say have intentions to trap SD or MN. But I do beleive my fellow trappers should have that right if they so choose.
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Post by badlandsbilly on Nov 13, 2012 13:46:30 GMT -6
Non resident trapping is not a right it's a priveledge that needs to be granted by the states own discretion.
That's the whole crux of this matter.
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Post by calvin on Nov 13, 2012 18:00:48 GMT -6
Non resident trapping is not a right it's a priveledge that needs to be granted by the states own discretion. That's the whole crux of this matter. I disagree. That's like telling any other worker he/s not American enough to work in another state...but makes no difference what we think...or bicker about here. Waste of time. A judge will decide this matter now. |
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Post by trappnman on Nov 13, 2012 18:18:00 GMT -6
thats true calvin-
any word on the timeline of the case you can tell us?
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Post by calvin on Nov 13, 2012 20:48:42 GMT -6
I do now know Steve. Having trouble keeping track of what day it is lately. Had to look on my phone today to see what part of the month we were in. I/m kind of out of the loop, lately.
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