whats every one think of s.d. and mn. legal casess

[thorsmightyhammer]

Exactly and some men decided to derive a good portion of their income from trapping.

Life is choices and we all get to make some.

I've got one of them dastardly day jobs as well and I may never leave the state again but I'd like the opportunity to.

[minkman99]

I don't understand the commerce trade regulations, like what kind of regulations could be put on trapping?

Doesn't other states, like Iowa, who allow non-residents show that not much of any bad effects happen?

I see both sides of the arguement, just curious about a couple things.

[bghunter119]

kansas allows non-residents too, not much negativity here either, dont get me wrong, i truely hope something good comes out of this from the mn guys, for me it is alittle hard to jump aboard when you read alot of post on differant sites, and the non-res topic has little if any post on the benifets of this suit for the guys in the states being sued, there is some, but the longest debate i have seen is over western cats, and the states that dont allow it or limits, i would like to see more positive for the guys that are in the suits, and if and when they get out west, that debate would be fine, worst case is scenario,as far as the GUBERMENT, imagine some politician deciding what and when you trap and the equipment you will use,the antis are watching these suits, you can bet that, probably already made some contacts depending on the outcome already, and remember in an election year, the group with the deepest pockets has the most influenance, again i hope something good comes out for the mn guys, some are for it, others are not from what it sounds like

[motrapperjohn]

I want to tell you guys who dont think its a commerce or that the feds are not already invovled. How many of you dont declare your fur checks as income and pay taxes on it? If you dont declare it thats tax evasion. Stev you made a trip or 2 out to Wyoming a few years back, correct. Sure it was just for fun but you did it. How would you like it if someone told you couldnt do it any more. How would you like to be told nonresidents couldnt go too the NTA in ohio next year. ITs not a bit different than going to another state to trap. Sure I doubt its going to effect but a handfull of people. But its going to give a whole lot of people that choice if they choose to go out of state. But for those that do pay their bills by trapping during the winter months it is a big deal. Think about how much money exchanges hands at the NTA nationals this year. Then Ask yourself this, if you couldnt sell your fur, would you have spent the money on equipment you do. I know what my answer would be, I couldnt aford to

[badlandsbilly]

motrapperjohn
The logic you used in your post makes no sense to me.What has out of state trapping got to do with going to conventions out of state.There are lots of states that have enough competiton in them from residents trappers that don't need additional pressure,ie bobcat trapping out west.
If the state has such good fur and a abundance of it why not move there,become a resident and trap there?
How would you like a couple of guys from out of state to come set traps in the area of your lines?Just curious.

[trappnman]

no, actually, I didn't trap in MT

and I cannot trap furbearers in WY

and I burned quite a few bridges in my fight for NR trapping in Mn-

what so often happens, is if one is against a "solution", then its transposed they are against the issue

I WAS brought into this as a resident of Mn- therefore, I am entitled to my opinion that its the wrong way to go about it

[thebeav2]

motrapperjohn
The logic you used in your post makes no sense to me.What has out of state trapping got to do with going to conventions out of state.There are lots of states that have enough competiton in them from residents trappers that don't need additional pressure,ie bobcat trapping out west.
If the state has such good fur and a abundance of it why not move there,become a resident and trap there?
How would you like a couple of guys from out of state to come set traps in the area of your lines?Just curious.




I don't get the last sentence.
I'll tell you this If you came to my area as a non resident you would have a very difficult time finding any Private land to trap on. If your taking care of business you should have all the land you can trap sewed up. So why worry about some hard charging non resident stepping on your toes. Unless of coarse your not taking care of business.

I just got back from a western state. I ran Into a local guy who hasn't trapped for years. He was local so he got a few chunks of land that I had trapped on last year. So what I just picked up a few new areas. And this was the only guy I ran Into In 3 counties.
By the way the trip was a disaster, sure we caught some rats but nothing like last fall. Having traps froze in every other day Isn't going to fill the freezers.

[bobbrennan]

I believe what carlis is saying is that if business such as trapping supply were restricted such as trapping is it wouldnt be good!

[thebeav2]

Back when WI was nonresident there was some talk of never having a NTA convention here until we allowed nonresidents to trap here. Nothing ever came of It but It was talked about.

[thebeav2]

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no, actually, I didn't trap in MT

and I cannot trap furbearers in WY

and I burned quite a few bridges in my fight for NR trapping in Mn-

what so often happens, is if one is against a "solution", then its transposed they are against the issue

I WAS brought into this as a resident of Mn- therefore, I am entitled to my opinion that its the wrong way to go about it



Spin It all you want. Coyotes and fox aren't considered fur bearers In WY.

I thought you went to Kansas to trap cats one year.
It all boils down to this. A person should be able trap In other states as long as he or she follows the rules laid down In that state.

As long as there Is work a painter or a plumber or carpenter can come to any state he or she wants and work In that state. Same goes for hunting and fishing. So why Is trapping looked on as a infringement of your rights as a resident trapper.

[seldom]

Nov 10, 2012 11:28:37 GMT -6 @thebeav2 said:

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As long as there Is work a painter or a plumber or carpenter can come to any state he or she wants and work In that state.

That Beav is a great analogy in my opinion!

[motrapperjohn]

Nov 10, 2012 2:41:32 GMT -6 badlandsbilly said:

motrapperjohn
The logic you used in your post makes no sense to me.What has out of state trapping got to do with going to conventions out of state.There are lots of states that have enough competiton in them from residents trappers that don't need additional pressure,ie bobcat trapping out west.
If the state has such good fur and a abundance of it why not move there,become a resident and trap there?
How would you like a couple of guys from out of state to come set traps in the area of your lines?Just curious.

Maybe you can answer this one for me. Why should a NR trapper who has been trapping when prices are low, through thick and thin, be penalized when the prices go up and he can can finally make a decent living just because some weekend warrior wannabee that hasn't trapped since the prices dropped feels that his toes are being stepped on, or is too lazy to go out and bust arse to put up the #'s to make a buck. Thats what this is all about. If people would keep their mouth shut (mine included) about their #'s none f this would have ever happened. I have never been in a state trapping where I have felt crowded. I have lost out on ground where I have taken others and they have gotten permmission.

[bobbrennan]

the locals will always have the advantage over the non resident !

[thorsmightyhammer]

Having traps froze in every other day Isn't going to fill the freezers.



What?

I wont start trapping until the landscape is froze solid.'

I intend to "fill the freezers".

Sorry about my freeze dance gary.

I need to recalibrate, I wanted the southern half of mn to freeze up early lol.

[thebeav2]

You now have moved to the top of my list.

[badlandsbilly]

motrapper.I see you have sunk to attempting to insult me.You know nothing about me,how long I've trapped,where or of my catches."Weekend warrior wannabe"I like it it has panache.
Hopefully the SD trappers Assoc. and Fish,Wildlife and Parks will ge this whole thing sqaushed.Since this post started I ponied up some money to fight it.
We are having a nasty blizzard as I type this,so I have to get some rest to go dig out my wannbe weekend warrior coyote lines.Notice the plural "lines" as in split lines with 48 hour checks.Wannabes love long lines too.

[bobbrennan]

what have non residents done to hurt you that you feel the way you do billy?

[wolfrunner]

Nov 11, 2012 2:58:47 GMT -6 badlandsbilly said:

motrapper.I see you have sunk to attempting to insult me.You know nothing about me,how long I've trapped,where or of my catches."Weekend warrior wannabe"I like it it has panache.
Hopefully the SD trappers Assoc. and Fish,Wildlife and Parks will ge this whole thing sqaushed.Since this post started I ponied up some money to fight it.
We are having a nasty blizzard as I type this,so I have to get some rest to go dig out my wannbe weekend warrior coyote lines.Notice the plural "lines" as in split lines with 48 hour checks.Wannabes love long lines too.

Sounds like a fox barking !

[trappnman]

beav- what spin?

why is it, again- that if one doesn't agree with the "solution", that one is against the ISSUE?

Its my PERSONAL OPINION that a lawsuit, was not and is not the way to go.

let me make it VERY VERY clear:

1) I'm all for NR traping- as you well know
2) I've fought the politics IN TRAPPING on this for over a decade
3) for heavens sakes, the FTA wasn't even going to give MN a chapter, because one of our objectives was NR trapping rights
4) BUT and this is a BIG FRAKING BUT- I do NOT think the lawsuit, was the way to go.
5) if anyone has a problem with that- too bad, so sad.
6) having said the above, I DO hope the lawsuit is successful

[motrapperjohn]

I am not out to insult you personally,but the majority of those that are raising the most stink are the one thats simply to lazy to go out and get their propertys sowed up before season and them bitch about it when someone else gets permmision, or is jelous because someone else puts up big #'s. I personaly had a bioligist from out west mouthing off about me the year I put up a large # of bobcats. Made a comment about how it couldnt be done and that we shouldnt be allowed to come out. He just happened to say it to the wrong person and got set straight real quick. I actually ran into or knew of 3 other trappers working the same area as I was this year up north. One was a coyote trapper that was trapping where I was trapping rats, no problems. Another was a young kid who hates NRs, he would go around to try and get my perrmisions, most would tell him to take a hike as his family was one who wouldnt allow any hunting on their place but liked to sneak around on others. Plus he likes to steal fur and traps. Another was a new trapper who also had permmission to trap the same property as I. He was going to pull his stuff when he found that I was already trapping. I said no that I was pulling out in the morning and that there was plenty of fur left as it was set up only for 2 days.