set remakes

[cdanneman]

last year i caught a badger in one of my coyote sets and when i reset the trap i didn't catch anything else there but i could see coyote tracks in the dirt all a round the large catch circle should i have moved the trap to the out side of the catch circle and used the torn up dirt as eye appeal in stead of in the catch circle.

[thebeav2]

YES YES

Actualy you should make at least 2 sets outside the catch circle. That badger blow out has great eye appeal.

[trappnman]

I used to move the traps after a badger, but no longer do, because the actual catch area is a much better remake location. Fill it in enough so you have a path going through the mess, and set there.

for a few years I was part of that put in a new set at a remake, but again found that I caught a very high % in that remake, or in an older set nearby, then the spanking new set.

I also feel that if you have a lot of action, and feel your sets are wore out, you don't do much good putting in a new set at THAT location. Set up in the begnning what you want there- you will be fur ahead

[thebeav2]

The man stated that the coyotes are not working the tore up area and Is seeing tracks at the edges. He had already re made the set and wasn't getting any action. So re seting the trap In the blow out wasn't getting the job done. So what should he have done?


This situation Is not that uncommen. There are coyotes and fox and cats that just don't seem to want to commit to these types of situations.


So putting In a few sets at the perimiter should slove this problem.
The biggest mistake I can see Is that there was only one set there to begin with. If a location Is good for one trap It should be good enough for at least 2 or 3 sets. In most cases problem solved.

[trappnman]

I can only speak from my own experience, and can say that not working a fresh remake, isn't very common and certainly isn't close to the norm for me.

From his post, it sounds like he is a novice trapping coyotes- so my advice would be to make a better remake set.

but of course, if you have trouble catching them in remakes, then for sure set more traps.

[trapperpatt]

X2 beav. Seen em scratch for weeks on a catch circle would not enter it. Remake then add some to it. Catch the ones willing to work a burn and the ones that want on the outside

[trappnman]

unless you are really banging the coyotes at a location, where there are coyotes sitting in traps every night, I personally feel the amount of circle shy coyotes is so small, to not be worth worrying about.

and if you are banging the coyotes, and they are becoming circle shy, then chances are a fresh set PUT IN at that time, is going to see little success because they aren't so much circle shy, as that location shy. Where even fresh sets are going to ignored.

So in such a location, I've learned that if you want fresh sets every night- put them in early, not later.

I have constant remakes- deer, possums, coon, fox, badger, feral cats, etc and etc- plus a few coyotes of course. to constantly be resetting on edge of a remake- would be counterproductive FOR ME- and in any case, I don't find a need in that I have very little problems of coyotes avoiding remakes simply because about every set they encounter after night one, is a remake

I hear people tell me at demos all the time- they can catch coyotes in fresh sets, but not remake sets-

and at the same time- I do many things "others" say is wrong- yet, I catch as many in remakes as fresh.

but back to the point- if you had a fresh badger catch circle- and you think the problem of avoidance is the circle itself that its "too hot" I disagree.

I don't believe in any way sets get "too hot"- what do they get too hot from? too much gland? urine? scent? lure? what?

I do believe a location gets "wore out" from too many trapped coyotes- and all the addition of sets in the world isn't going to change that. its the same lures, the same style, YOUR same scent etc

but there is another answer- and that's that the remake style, isn't conducive to success.

You cannot get any better attraction than a badger digging at a set, very few if any times have I not almost immediately taken a coyote(s) after a badger-

[thebeav2]

The problem I have with making a statement that you don't have a problem with coyotes working re makes Is that we really don't know how many critters shy away from this situation. Hard ground heavy grass at these locations aren't going to allow you to see tracks that might be just out side the catch circle. When we make the statement that the set has gone dead does that mean the critters are just avoiding the set or Is It that there are no more animals In the area? In most cases there Is no way of knowing since ground conditions don't let us see tracks.

Now we move Into conditions where we have snow. I've seen where a fox or coyote will stand back 30 yards form a re make and then high tail It out of the county. I've also seen where they barrel right In.
I've also seen where a new set that has been covered from recent snow fall be avoided like the plague and the critter has stood off and sat down and checked out the set then walked off. And then I've seen where they throw caution to the wind and come right In.

So no matter what we think, there are circle shy critters and I think there are more out there then the ones that throw caution to the wind and barrel right In.


I trapped live market coyotes for over 10 years In the south. I was very successful (not In BW class ) I'm totally convinced that by not killing a animal at the trap location you will have a better chance of a next days catch at that set.

We had a tremendous problem with feral dogs In the south. You either killed them or you didn't trap that property anymore. So after several kills we noticed a lot of sets going dead. You really couldn't tell If animals were refusing to enter the re make or they just weren't there. The ground was way to hard with to much ground litter to tell. So we decided to catch pole all of our incidental catches haul them away from the set location and do the dirty dead. Guess what, It made a very noticeable difference In the amount of next day catches on re makes. We thought It might be just the fact that we had caught and killed a dog at the set but that really didn't make any sense. But It did make a difference when we stopped doing the dirty dead at the set. To me It just makes sense.

[trappnman]

what I am saying- is that very seldom, and I mean very seldom- has putting a new trap at edge of remake, done me anything but give me practice at making sets. I'll put in a new set, and many more times than not- its in that same remake- and perhaps there is a reason for that?

and I've never seen where a kill matters all that much- but then I don't kill dogs up here- but certainly skunk, badger, coon coyotes etc doesn't seem to matter one iota.

the only thing being- I am a beleiver over past 2 years, that if yo uhave coyotes i ntraps everynighht, they become location shy.

again, might be a few that are truly circle shy- but why worry about it any more than worrying about those truely set shy?

the point being- and this is what I personally believe based on observation over the years- is that if oyu have ashy coyote- hes going to be shy whether trap is edge of circle, or in middle- because I tried that moving to the edge- after all, it was the big talk years ago on the internet- and again, for me- I didn;t see enough of a difference in additional coyote catches as NOT doing so.

so each to their own I guess. If your experience differs, then thats what you should go on-


why do you think your coyotes are circle shy?

blood? urine? too much lure? too much dirt? too many feces?

[seldom]

Maybe the one study "Coyote responses to visual & olfactory stimuli related to famillartory with area" might shed some light. Maybe down around page 5 or there about.

[thebeav2]

So have you ever trapped coyotes In the snow?

If you have has EVERY coyote actually worked the set? Or have some of them refused to even come close.

I told you what my experiences have been when you can actually see what a coyote has or hasn't done. Can It be possible that the same thing happens to some extent when you can't read coyote sign. You may be having more refusals then you think.

I don't know for sure what a coyote Is thinking or what triggers a response as It encounters a fresh set or a re make.

But one thing I do know Is when I dragged the coyote or any incidental out of the catch circle and caged It or killed the Incidental I had a better next day catch rate then If I did the dirty dead In the catch circle. After using this method for ten years or more I could defiantly see the higher rate of catches after the re make. Any thing that will give you that edge I'm going to take advantage of It.

If I wasn't money driven and trapping rats out west I'd love to run with you on your coyote line. Maybe when I turn 80 and can't get In and out of the boat I can work that out.

The packers sure suck this year

[CoyoteMan50]

well if it's one thing I have lurned, here is to keep my big mouth shut, you ant getting me in on this one, I'll keep my burnout circles to my self

[trappnman]

oh without a doubt I'm missing coyotes. I know what snow shows happens on bare ground as well

my point isn't that- my point is that I've never seen where, for me, setting on the edge, or setting new with worn out sets nearby gave me any increase or bump than not doing so.

I think the shy ones you are going to miss either way if set is presented wrong at the wrong location-

[trappincoyotes39]

Yes agree 110% why would you set the middle where all the odors are? Move to the edge where they approach and they have less "choices" to work thru? Badger digging's, coyote catches, porkys etc, set the edge and make it the easy "choice" for them. Eye and odor wise..........

[cdanneman]

I am a novice coyote trapper that's why I'm asking some of these questions this is going to be my second year trapping them and already learned that if the spot is good enough for one trap it is good enough for two or three . I have caught them by accident in coon sets but last year was my first year pursuing them i had only 15 sets out and caught 6 coyotes in 8 weeks of trapping. All but one was caught in some sort of remake but i just was wandering on badger remakes and how to make these more attractive to the coyotes do i want to level these out a little or leave it look like a bomb has gone off.

[trappnman]

Yes agree 110% why would you set the middle where all the odors are? Move to the edge where they approach and they have less "choices" to work thru? Badger digging's, coyote catches, porkys etc, set the edge and make it the easy "choice" for them. Eye and odor wise..........

good grief- why would YOU NOT SET WHERE ALL THE ODORS ARE?

cd- level a path through the set- set the trap on that path, lure the edge of that path so you kind of have a reverse image stepdown set

keep in mind what you just stated- all but 1 caught in a remake. let what you see, dictate what you do.

[coonboy]

Are Possums "The Kiss of Death" ? Or just kill it and make the remake the same? or do you move after a possum?

[cdanneman]

i have caught them in remakes from opossums last year so i think that you shouldn't have to move your set.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman setting where "odors are and setting in the mist of all those odors are 2 different things..............

[Possum]

When someone asks me where's the best place to catch a coyote, I'll tell them "Where you've already caught one." I don't move the trap and usually use the same hole. I do put in a fresh set nearby. I'll put my money on the remake, but the fresh set pays off often enough to be worthwhile. If I catch one in the fresh set, I'll install a 3rd, but that's where I draw the line.