baiting them up- presentation

[seldom]

This is a quote by ChrisM on 7/26/12 that pertains directly to this subject-

""1080's third video..the grassy patch that he baited up, where he has the double. He created and/or enhanced a stall out,""

I personally don't remember that specific video of 1080's but I agree with the principle of the "baiting them up-presentation" as ChrisM described! . Think stall out

[bogio]

STALL OUT

[trappincoyotes39]

tman that goes without saying I would think at this point. You sure could bait up 3-5 coyote spots but your feeding and attracting what is there to begin with, large baits and large bait stations are best deserving of your best spots for maximum return for your investment.

Think 1080 bait stations from back in the day........................ Key locations for these not willy nilly, not the good ones anyhow.

[northof50]

3 to5 miles you are still dealing with the same territories up here.
Every night they will approach a bait site and hold back 400 yards and talk. Add something new and the approach interest is started

[trappnman]

I can see the discussion is going at it in different directions or at least that's how I'm reading it.

so let me clarify it from my viewpoint:

when I talk about presentation, I'm not talking choosing locations.

I take it as a given, that locations range from almost never or a 1 on a scale all the way up to "the spot" giving that a 10 on a scale.

The goal, and its really one of the few goals I can control, is to have all locations a 10. Reality for me and most of all, is that if most of our locations are in the say 7-10 category, we will have a productive line.

so that being said, it stands to reason that "bait" will be less effective at a 1, than it will be at a 10.

What is bait by the way? a dead cow vs a coyote carcass, are certainly 2 different kinds of bait- yet the use of both is used interchangeably in the discussions of bait them up.

so for me, the discussion now boils down to one thing, or a couple of things I guess depending on how you look at it (taking the location itself as a given being the closest to 10 you can get).

Edible baits vs non edible baits.

On edible baits, esp big edible baits, I believe they have the power to make a ranking higher- that is, a poorer location becomes better simply by the addition of a dead cow or two. While it might not directly make that location "the spot" it for sure will, create or have the potential to create, "spot" location(s) near by.

Based on what I see over the years concerning the above, my conclusion is that its hard to present a dead cow, "unnaturally".

but non edible bait- is there a correct way to "present" that IF yo are on location?

1080 posted: "There are spots coyotes come to, different than travel by. Setting a trap anywhere will not catch Most coyotes. THROWING A CARCASS OR BAIT ANYWHERE WILL OFTENTIMES GET REFUSED/AVOIDED. Coyotes have tendencies and traits. Learn them.
There are reasons some sets get avoided, others worked freely."
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caps added.

my conclusion from the above is that while "presentation of a carcass might be very important, logic tells me that its far, far more the location where its presented-

because really- its pretty limited in how you can "present" a skun coyote carcass. toss it in the weeds, too it in the open.

one could, I would suppose, make a point that where you put it in that stall out area (edge, center, etc) is important, and perhaps it is- but my thoughts at this time (if they change I'm sure my personal chronicler will point it out) are that if you are on location, then it would be hard to present even a carcass wrong.

if I have weeds or thick stuff, I usually toss them in it, or if at a dead pile right on the pile- but if I'm in the open, I toss them in the open.

Comments?

[seldom]

Since your style is to stay no longer than 5 nights, is there any tangible difference in how or where your carcasses are tossed? I mean you're skinning them right where you've caught them anyway so how could a person realize any change positive or negative?

I stay for 11-14 nights and skin and toss everything where I catch them. I've paid specific attention to any change of coyote activity near the carcasses that would relate to the carcasses or what could be considered enhancement to the sets. the only notable thing was a hell of a lot of opossum activity like never before. Last year that could have been attributed to the super mild winter but not the winter before.

I took the observing one step further since I was driving by several previous locations to rat and beaver trap. I made periodic, drive-by checks of several locations once a week where there were carcasses and still saw no coyote activity that in any way could I determine related to the carcasses, just lots of opossum!