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Post by braveheart on Sept 16, 2012 18:34:39 GMT -6
On my last lesson bait presentation was kind of important.I just took the dead coyote or rib cages and pulled them over the traps and pitched them as far as I could.  |
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Post by trapperpatt on Sept 16, 2012 20:21:22 GMT -6
U got it braveheart!!!!
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Post by trappnman on Sept 17, 2012 7:52:39 GMT -6
had a couple of pms from O'g students, and they say he throws carcasses with no consistentcy- in other words, he doesn't care how it was presented, just that it is.
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Post by TRAPPERBILL on Sept 18, 2012 15:10:29 GMT -6
Does anybody use coon carcuses for bait piles. A friend of mine put a bait pile of beaver and coon in mid winter for hunting coyotes and in the spring all the beaver were gone but the coon were nothing but a rotten mess. Was wondering why they wernt touched.
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Post by bogio on Sept 18, 2012 15:33:51 GMT -6
I use them.
The coyotes may not eat them but the crows work them hard giving you a draw.
Virlin eats coon fat by the bucket full when I'm fleshing. I have seen evidence of coyotes working/digging coon fat when I've dumped it for draw stations.
You might as well get some good out of them if not utilizing the carcass market.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 18, 2012 16:01:52 GMT -6
I have never found beaver to be a great coyote draw, bobcats a different story!
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Post by Nick C on Sept 18, 2012 20:47:19 GMT -6
I agree that coon carcasses don't peak the best interest of coyotes in my experiences, However.. **Click It**  |
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Post by trappnman on Sept 19, 2012 8:01:13 GMT -6
I use coon carcassess along with every thing else-
I read quite a bit how coyotes won't eat coon, and the reality is during winter I have 2-3 bait piles that consist of rats, beaver, mink and coon- and the coon carcassess are the ones dug out and eaten first. Rats, almost without exception, sit there until they are hard & shriveled.
surprizes me as well, since I always read about rats being the top of the chain in whats eaten when
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Post by blackhammer on Sept 19, 2012 8:47:16 GMT -6
Rats get real rotten fast and may get too sour to eat. Of the canines I've raised rat along with venison rank best in terms of animals eating them,with beaver right there as well. A ranch fox would have to be starving to eat coon.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 19, 2012 9:55:47 GMT -6
I've never fed canines so don't know what they like in pens- offered fresh I'm sure they do have preferences
my point is I've read many times, the definitive statement that coyotes don't eat coon, and not only that, won't eat coon, yet quite often my personal observations at carcass piles show that statement to be wrong. that they not only eaty coon, but at times prefer it.
but baiting them up doesn't mean its something they eat- they don't eat coyote carcassess on a regular basis, yet a coyote carcass is a good "bait"
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 19, 2012 11:11:59 GMT -6
This has been my experience when using different critters for Caracas dumps.
In about 90% of the time coon just rot away with very little interest shown from the targeted animals. Fox and coyotes. Beaver works well for me. Rats work well to But you have to put them out during times of freezing weather and snow. Place them to soon and they just dry up. It's about the same with venison. I have found that In most cases nothing works the deer parts until times get tuff. And I have also noted that a whole deer gets hit a lot quicker then just parts.
And nothing eats otter carcasses.
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Post by blackhammer on Sept 19, 2012 12:49:06 GMT -6
Carcas dumps attract animals and I don't think actually eating the carsasses is that big a deal except probably in deep snow snaring set ups were the animals are real hungry. O'Gorman the way I read it dumps the carcussses to call and have the animals hang around. Seems like animals like visiting cemetaries.
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Post by bogio on Sept 19, 2012 17:41:52 GMT -6
We're trying to draw them in, not feed them.
OG in his writings and videos talks of killing the coyote and simply throwing it aside. He talks of subsequent catches breaking up and mixing the remains of previous animals into the pattern. Pictures show dead coyotes laying in close proximity to sets.
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Post by seldom on Sept 19, 2012 17:53:10 GMT -6
Think stall-out!  |
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Post by thebeav2 on Sept 19, 2012 19:58:32 GMT -6
I'm trying to feed them a happy full coyote Is a dumb coyote. LOL
But I have found that by putting out early carcasse dumps the coyotes just don't respond to them untill things get nasty out there. Any way that's how It Is around here.
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Post by braveheart on Sept 20, 2012 5:19:13 GMT -6
They do like visiting the dead.
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Post by bogio on Sept 20, 2012 14:20:16 GMT -6
Visitation is what we are after. Visitation puts them in contact with our offerings. The key then is offering something they are going to want in a way they are receptive to.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2012 17:55:42 GMT -6
The key then is offering something they are going to want in a way they are receptive to. You summed up in one sentence what bait um up is all about 
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Post by trappnman on Sept 21, 2012 7:29:46 GMT -6
I agree it sums it up
but its important to look at all aspects of the summation-
let me pose this question- as a generality, does baiting something up (keeping to the defintion here of cow piles/carcasses) make any location, the location?
or does baiting them up, take a definitive type location (the purpose of all past discussions concerning such) and simply enhance it?
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Post by bogio on Sept 21, 2012 12:22:27 GMT -6
The simple addition of a draw station won't make a mediocre location a super location.
I think we should be striving for the enhancement of a "superior" location (the SPOT). We want an area of overlap, what 1080 referred to as communal territory. Not territory in the sense of denning time but rather fall/winter usage. Stall out locations that coyotes from hopefully all surrounding directions will come to.
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