TS85s for coyotes?

[trappincoyotes39]

deep snow it may have a slight advantage with a tad higher jaw but what about the enlarged pan? How are you keeping that in operation?

[seldom]

I would believe if a person has a method or ability for keeping a X-size pan working, keeping a 2X-size pan working under the same conditions shouldn't be an issue.

[robertw]

TC39,
Maybe you shoud have the AFWA test these traps on coyotes and bobcats.

[BadDog]

That'ld be good. Does anything ever fail in the US?

[trappincoyotes39]

robertw I doubt it would make the criteria for testing in the first place.

seldom issues I had in snow with the sterling over sized pan was easier freeze down along the edges. More pan area about equal to jaw area I found froze down easier than a standard pan. Could have been me, but did notice I had more issues with them for sure.

Baddog yes some traps didn't score well. I don't like word fail as the BMP"s in the US are recomendations and not law.

[trappnman]

you might not like the word- but its apt, it applies and the end result is that rtaps fialed THEIR tests, not mine.

deep snow it may have a slight advantage with a tad higher jaw but what about the enlarged pan? How are you keeping that in operation?

if the pan freezes down, then the jaws most likely freeze as well, and visa versa. Isn't the object in freezing weather, to have the whole trap in operating order?

[redeagle]

If we are saying that a guy should use the size of trap which is relative to size of the animal's foot, then guys should be using a #0 on mink, because mink have small feet. Instead, lots of guys use #2 square jaw coils on mink and catch them over the shoulder instead of by the paw. I'd say that size trap is too large and is overkill on such a small animal. (For the record, I'm playing "devil's advocate" here FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION; I'm not trying to say quit using #2s on mink.) I also don't think anybody should use a trap so big that it would catch a coyote over it's shoulder instead of by the paw! That would be absurd.

[trappincoyotes39]

redeagle really? A mink and a coyote and a bobcat are all the same? WE could get out the bear traps and go for a rib catch I guess? Non targets, children and pets might be a concern, along with livestock and all the rest.

A mink isn't a coyote most mink trapping you have water to drown them a coyote you don't. Trying to compair these two is a stretch even with devils advocate. Most states allow 330's in water and why? Less non target issues, not many alow them to be used on dry land.

I mean why stop at the ts 85? Get some alaskan #9 and have even a tad more room for those finiky coyotes and cats and the ultimate snow trap for both! 9" is better then than 8.5" correct?

I mean with this trap no one can surely tell me i'm in the tiny trap club right? My efficantcy should at least double with a larger pan on this trap correct?



THis shows the 9 compaired to a MB 750.

[trapperpatt]

What is the difference between the non targets caught in 9s when wolf trapping and the difference in non targets with cdrs while cat trapping?

[redeagle]

T39, I never said they are all the same, and didn't compare mink and coyotes. You said that. Just trying to illustrate a point with my comment, my man. You obviously didn't read my post very carefully. You might want to go back and re-read it.

[trappincoyotes39]

trapperpat you should be able to answer your own question?

Where 9's are used for wolves think about the locations and geographic regions compaired to where other traps are used? Your going to have alot less non targets in numbers and species than you do in many areas in the lower 48 specially the eastern half of the US.

Like it or not public opinion is part of trapping and hunting. Some have to deal with it more than others.


Redeagle, I did read your post and do you think with the jaw height of a TS 85 your going to get mainly pad catches dirt trapping coyotes?

[trappnman]

no, i don't think you would- on dirt.

whats public opinion on many things that go on out west? I'll not detail them but you and I both know what I mean....

if going for a sheep killer, on a ranch away from people- one that you NEED to catch- you can't tell me that the size of the trap, wouldn't give you, even if ever so slightly, and more sure fire advantage.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman I can say without a doubt that I would gain very darn little from using a trap with a 8.5" jaw spread for any coyote I "need" to catch. Not being arrogant at all in that statement. If I thought a bigger trap to be better I sure would have tried it. I didn't see that Need.


In fact if I'm going after a sheep killer the first thing I'm going to do is call. Durring the summer calling can be the most sure fire/fastest way to get rid of coyotes you "need". Just being honest.

Then snares and traps if the calling don't get the job done. If the terrain invites the plane to be efficant then that is another route.


I'm better off gang setting an area with "common" coyote traps instead of going larger. IMO anyway.

Tman if you talking extended checks the reason that is allowed out west is less domestic pet issues and also larger home ranges and skitish coyotes due to human acitivity.

Don;t forget many of the ideas and great ideas brought into the trap makret where ideas from guys that had extended checks and wanting to keep ahold of those coyotes and not have loss in the first place on those extended checks.

[trappnman]

Tman I can say without a doubt that I would gain very darn little from using a trap with a 8.5" jaw spread for any coyote I "need" to catch.

I can't say that, because I've never used them.

have you never had a track on the edge of the trap? If so- then certainly a larger trap would have done the job, correct?

You know I've used 1.75s on coyotes, and have done well with them. But did, of course, have misses where they would have been caught, using a #3 or #4.

you mention special circumstances for extended checks (although don't forget one of the most important, that one can set out many ranches at extreme distances apart, and be able to manage it w/o 24 hr checks as an important reason for a extended check) but one could well argue that special circumstances would then allow use of a bigger trap as well when they occur.

setting in deep snow for example (few domestics then, and raptors for the most part are gone, skunks and possums down the holes til spring) would be the perfect use for a larger trap (after all, coming up through snow and/or mud is oft quoted as a main reason FOR bigger traps as per example of me using 1.75s when people would ask "how do they work in deep snow and my answer not well) AND there would be, based on limited snow work, pad catches no matter the trap being an inch bigger or not. where a larger trap, would make the difference between success or not.

my whole point is this- I have no need for using them, I'd not want a newbie out setting them willy nilly- but at the same time, in special circumstances, they might well be THE ticket.

[minkman99]

I would think a wolf would pop the jaws on a TS85.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman out west raptors don't go no where they are still out and about and active.

I sure have had a few tracks on the edge but over all nothing I would worry about to feel a much larger trap would solve. You have to weigh it all out to come to an efficantcy standard.

Deep snow I did say might have a better outcome, again how much better? Worth the extra? Each would have to ask themselves that. Deep snow give me a pile of good snares and I can do far better and less hassle with them than ANY foothold that is a fact.

[trappincoyotes39]

The other question I have on this topic is what if I still find a very low% of tracks on the edge of a TS85 or a CDR? Do I then relook at my trap selection again and go even bigger? Or would it be more prudent to look at my setting techniques and alter them to gain those few extra coyotes each year?

[seldom]

This doesn't, nor is it an attempt to answer your question TC, it's just a perspective of jaw spreads that have been mentioned in this thread.

Montana #3 has a 12.5% larger jaw spread than a Duke 1.75
MB750 has a 17% larger jaw spread than a #3 Montana
CDR has a 3% larger jaw spread than a MB750
TS85 has a 12% larger jaw spread than a CDR

[thebeav2]

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The other question I have on this topic is what if I still find a very low% of tracks on the edge of a TS85 or a CDR? Do I then relook at my trap selection again and go even bigger? Or would it be more prudent to look at my setting techniques and alter them to gain those few extra coyotes each year?

There IT Is In a nut shell.

Looks like advocating a larger jaw spread Is to compensate for lack of guiding skills. But no matter how good your guiding skills are you are ALWAYS going to have tracked patterns no matter how large your trap Is.
I also heard that he uses large pans on 330s and then lays them flat. Kind of like walking through a mine Field LOL

[seldom]

Sept 16, 2012 7:56:27 GMT -6 @thebeav2 said:

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The other question I have on this topic is what if I still find a very low% of tracks on the edge of a TS85 or a CDR? Do I then relook at my trap selection again and go even bigger? Or would it be more prudent to look at my setting techniques and alter them to gain those few extra coyotes each year?

There IT Is In a nut shell.

Looks like advocating a larger jaw spread Is to compensate for lack of guiding skills. But no matter how good your guiding skills are you are ALWAYS going to have tracked patterns no matter how large your trap Is.
I also heard that he uses large pans on 330s and then lays them flat. Kind of like walking through a mine Field LOL

OR, comparively speaking, he makes little attempt at guiding. First thing I noticed in his videos, especially flat sets, that his technique involved little to no guiding "with forethought and/or intent" as many others advocate in writings about or show in "how to" videos(put rock here, put dirt clump there, etc.) Don't know, just an observation.