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Post by bobbrennan on Aug 28, 2012 19:30:40 GMT -6
also his situation is some what unique trapping in a high fence area its as controlled a situation as one can have and when talking about things like this you need to know the whole system because without all the correct info things could change a lot. for instance I know he uses drags on those traps maybe that makes a difference, just useing that as an example.
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Post by longrangekilla on Sept 4, 2012 16:47:30 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 4, 2012 17:41:39 GMT -6
well most people he is giving recomendations to aren't trapping high fence exoctic game animal ranches, so therefore he shoud make such a statement when giving advice across the country. IMOC
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Post by trappnman on Sept 4, 2012 17:58:50 GMT -6
true- to me, its a given the trap isn't an everyday trap-
but also can see its use in limited circumstances
clint shouldn't recommend it as a go to trap- all we need is newbies setting bear traps
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Post by trapperpatt on Sept 8, 2012 18:30:18 GMT -6
IMO I think this thread has been taken out of context. I like mr. Locklear's thoughts to using big traps. He said that if u didn't believe him to try it for urself. Get cameras and the whole 9 and try it. And all he is asking is not to put down on his way until u have tried it. That's purdy simple IMO. Wether u have theories on it or not. If its not proven don't don't speak it.
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Post by cmr2 on Sept 8, 2012 19:58:51 GMT -6
believe its stated in his video "tiny trap rant" and others to follow state laws or that where he is theres no limit ,
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Post by C1972 on Sept 8, 2012 22:15:14 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 9, 2012 7:04:40 GMT -6
Yep 1972 a beaver trap is what that is.
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Post by bob brennan on Sept 9, 2012 7:47:07 GMT -6
am I mistaken or doesnt clint use cdr s
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 9, 2012 11:23:14 GMT -6
well from the start of this I'm guessing he can get ts 85's cheaper now than can CDR's, but I did hear ot said he rec's CDR"s for bobcats which again is not needed for bobcats and far too much spring rate for a bobcats foot IMOC.........
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Post by trapperpatt on Sept 9, 2012 14:46:32 GMT -6
He uses cdrs. So he can put an oversized pan on them by notching the pan around the spring levers.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 10, 2012 8:58:32 GMT -6
isn't the point not that the trap can't be used under no circumstances, but the fact its, on a Youtube video, recommended for all use if legal.
you really want all those getitng trapping advise from Youtube- setting bear traps willy nilly on land?
you don"t think its a pr nightmare waiting to happen?
consider this- a state where the trap is legal, you would have no problem me selling them to anyone that came along, with my adivise to just go out and set them?
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Post by redeagle on Sept 10, 2012 18:43:27 GMT -6
I agree. It would be a PR nightmare.
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Post by trapperpatt on Sept 10, 2012 21:42:52 GMT -6
Pr problems are going to happen regardless of what is used. The question is about foot damage and the use of them on a coyote. now seeing as that nobody on here has used them. Everything said is just theory until u prove Clint locklear wrong.
I haven't used them myself just like the way he thinks about pan area, and the way he crunches the numbers. I also can see the way u could have less foot damage using them with drags. It lets the critter get into cover and settle down. Especially a cat.
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Post by robertw on Sept 10, 2012 22:47:24 GMT -6
You really have to be doing something wrong to get much foot damage on a bobcat!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 11, 2012 5:22:40 GMT -6
robert not talking perfect pad catches with something the jaw height of a CDR.
Trapperpat with all due repsect, crunch all the numbers you want in the end one must way positives versus negatives and the area of the US your using your equipment and weather factors, non targets and all the rest, far too easy to make a blanket statement such as " are you a member of the tiny trap club"? Here is the so called reasons not to be.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 11, 2012 6:43:14 GMT -6
those traps would certainly hold a coyote-
and a sheep, a cow, a deer, an antelope and what would they do to protected critters including eagles etc?
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Post by mattduncan on Sept 11, 2012 14:44:33 GMT -6
robert not talking perfect pad catches with something the jaw height of a CDR. Trapperpat with all due repsect, crunch all the numbers you want in the end one must way positives versus negatives and the area of the US your using your equipment and weather factors, non targets and all the rest, far too easy to make a blanket statement such as " are you a member of the tiny trap club"? Here is the so called reasons not to be. I don't have any bobcat experience but when I go and measure a cdr and a bridger #3 I only see a jaw hight difference of 3/4 of an inch is that really going to make that much difference ? Once again I state I have no bobcat experience and this is going to be the first year I have the opportunity to trap lynx so I ask this for disscusion purposes not to start an argument , Here in Ontario I only have the choice of #3 soft catch or #3 victor with laminated jaws as a choice for lynx |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 11, 2012 16:20:36 GMT -6
matt fair question issue being very heavy spring rate the CDR is the only common trap I can't set by hand, due to levers and spring rate. Also jaw height varies with different traps and we are talking in terms of where it catches and holds on a critter. So when we talk 3/4" or 1" sounds little but can make a big differance in traps! IN my bridgers I have had deep leg catches on coyotes don't on my sterlings even though we are talking less than 1" differance sq jaw versus a modified round jaw. Next one needs to look at bulk and weight of a trap and then double that weight when conditions turn wet or frozen as that will have an outcome on damage or lack of it to a trapped critter. The more surface area a trap has the more it can clog with mud,snow, and ice. 1080 brought up the issue of jaw spread size and jaw height as being an issue when trapping around livestock that is something else to consider as well. Livestock, big game being held with more regularity in these types of traps due to that added jaw height. I mean if bigger is better why stop at the ts85 or cdr, why not set manning #9's for bobcat and coyotes I mean then with an enlarged pan the catch rate should be a 100% of what comes by correct? The reason it is silly talk IMO is 2 fold, first I don't honestly know a trap that I wish I had set that large that would have made a differance on any coyote or bobcat I have caught or saw tracks and no catch. They either committ to the set or the ones that don't by adding that size of trap would have been of little benefit. The cost, the weight, the messing around making enlarged pans, the PR isssues all of it adds up to being counter productive to many. Could you imagine showing someone if asked so what traps are you setting on my ground for those coyotes and bobcats and you whip out these things?  Many trappers have their doubts let along Joe Public. Or teaching a trapping class to young adults and adults here is what you need to trap coyotes in bare ground whip out the old CDR with enlarged pan and tell them don't forget your CDR setters and go get them cats ? LOL. I feel this is a ploy used by a few others to be different as different "some" think sells........... A guy in Montana that takes more cats than most year in and year out uses nothing but a standard #3 runn of the mill trap for bobcats and tags a pile each year. He has given demos and gave reasons as to why and they are very effective or he would be using something better. If nobody knows where clint is Texas they are loaded with bobcats, loaded with them. |
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Post by trappnman on Sept 11, 2012 17:45:37 GMT -6
how about setting in deep snow TC- insofar as making a difference on coyote catches?
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