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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 7, 2012 9:32:09 GMT -6
Two staking points at the top end solves the deep end staking situation.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 7, 2012 9:36:10 GMT -6
I understand what you mean beav, and can see that that would prevent rod from rotating-
but are you getting the rods angled into the water (on flatter type banks) so the deep end is well under the water? or does the rod lay on the surface or just under?
does it matter at all?
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Post by stretcherdon on Feb 7, 2012 9:52:47 GMT -6
Steve, you may want to give Rally a call, I believe he has access to any size and lenght fiberglass rods you want,not sure on price. Don
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 7, 2012 14:07:21 GMT -6
chris I remember what I paid for my carbon drowners.
It wasnt much, it was a buddy trade deal. ten footer fits nice in the back of the subaru.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 7, 2012 14:31:03 GMT -6
thanks don.
Rally? what say you?
on fiberglass, why couldn't you take a die, and thread the end- then attach a nut to that for your two stops?
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Post by Rally Hess on Feb 7, 2012 23:48:23 GMT -6
I'll let you know more after this spring. Haven't worked out the entire system for beaver yet, as far as just sticking the deep end in the bottom. I have 1/2" fiberglass in 4, 6, 8, and 10' lengths now.
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Post by Scott W. on Feb 8, 2012 7:05:31 GMT -6
I used 1/2" rerod 5 ft. long this fall. I have rocky bottoms, so had hoped a double stake type system up top would eliminate the need to anchor the deep end. The goal was not necessarily to drown the coon and gain extended check status, but to get him away from the pocket. Where the rod could go at a steep angle into deep water they worked really good. In the shallower senarios I had bent rods and several other mishaps, NOT GOOD. I'm leaning more toward chain drowners in 5ft lengths that I can extend if need be to deep enough water to drown them. I just use "S" hooks that the slide can pass over and more chain. The slide rods are now going to be used as terminal stakes like MM showed. If I can't stake the terminal end I'll use sandbag weights. The few chain setups I used at the end of my time on the water I tied a knot in to prevent the coon from reaching the terminal stake or sandbag weight. The big thing that surprised me was that some coon could bend the 1/2" rerod.
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Post by thebeav2 on Feb 8, 2012 10:41:01 GMT -6
The 3/8ths re bar rods I had bent up by a coon were few and far between and they straighten out pretty easy. I like not having to get In the water to drive deep end stakes or dragging weights around or filling sacks. Or retrieving drowned critters. I'll put up with a few bent rods.
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Post by trappnman on Feb 8, 2012 16:46:22 GMT -6
I'm defintely interested in the carbon rods, or fiberglass rods.
carrying 8-10 8' rebars around setting up and pulling is more than I want to do, plus the rebar for the stakes
I like beavs two top anchors idea. that would keep the rod in the position you want it, and while the fiberglass or carbon rods would bend, takes a lot to break them. No ones answered my question about rods laying on surface- anyone?- but on rats and mink it wouldn't matter, and I supose the weight of a coon would take them down?
Weights and deep end staking isn't a problem for my creeks- rocks are abundant and that wire cage is" 'da bomb". Many creeks in clay bottoms, I can easily push in a stake in water 3-4 feet deep or even deeper with 36" rebar. my main P.I.A. is cable- better by far than wire, but I just have never wanted to mess with cable on 125 plus mink and rat sets- and confine the cable to coon sets.
but I need to make my rat mink sets coon and otter proof- I want the reuslts of cable, with out the cable, thus the rods.
If I have to keep coon sets on cable, thats ok by me- it works, I got a good system, and I only run 25-30 coon sets during winter.
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 8, 2012 17:40:04 GMT -6
dont you pretty much trap the same location year after year?
If you do haul the rods in once and leave em.
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Post by spawner on Feb 14, 2012 17:03:12 GMT -6
If i have trouble pushing my 1/2" rebar into the bottom i add a second stake and tye wire it on about 12"-16" down from the top. kind of a poor mans version of Bev's setup
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Post by CoonDuke on Feb 15, 2012 17:35:49 GMT -6
I would love to get ahold of some carbon rods set up exactly as Beav describes(except 10 feet in length) and thick enough to be used for beaver.
3' carbon stakes would work perfect in my banks to anchor the top of the rod.
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Post by mattduncan on Feb 16, 2012 19:25:33 GMT -6
I would love to get ahold of some carbon rods set up exactly as Beav describes(except 10 feet in length) and thick enough to be used for beaver. 3' carbon stakes would work perfect in my banks to anchor the top of the rod. here you go , i was going to get some sent up until i inquired about shipping cost , it was just too much money to ship them to canada |
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Post by cflann on Feb 17, 2012 8:25:45 GMT -6
Well, technically those aren't carbon, they're fiberglass, but I bet they're also quite a bit cheaper.
Any engineers on the site that can educate us on the differences and pros and cons of carbon fiber versus fiberglass?
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Post by mattduncan on Feb 17, 2012 9:35:02 GMT -6
Well, technically those aren't carbon, they're fiberglass, but I bet they're also quite a bit cheaper. Any engineers on the site that can educate us on the differences and pros and cons of carbon fiber versus fiberglass? yes i know these are just fibeglas and carbon fiber is much stronger and splinter resistent , i've got some i made from the 3/8 fiberglass fence posts i can get at tsc but i can only get 4 foot ones so i joined them with a steel sleeve in the same manner that kressel puts his ends on the carbon ones , if i could get the larger and longer rods here all my steel drowners would be replaced in a moment    |
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Post by Rally Hess on Feb 17, 2012 21:57:34 GMT -6
MattDuncan,
Where do you live in Ontario? I've got 1/2" fiberglass in 10" lengths now.
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Post by mattduncan on Feb 18, 2012 20:14:19 GMT -6
MattDuncan, Where do you live in Ontario? I've got 1/2" fiberglass in 10" lengths now. rally i'm in southern ontario , about 2 hours west of toronto |
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Post by thorsmightyhammer on Feb 18, 2012 21:59:21 GMT -6
That means you are only 800 to a thousand miles from us.
Almost impossible to imagine how big ontario is, seeing as the southwestern border is pretty much straight north of me.
Matt, drive on down to the NTA convention this summer and load up on some fiberglass.
Pretty good chance I am going to put an order in to the manufacturer.
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Post by mattduncan on Feb 18, 2012 22:18:55 GMT -6
steve i'm thinking about coming down i never missed an nta for a lot of years , but bussines and kids have thrown a wrench into things the last few years
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Post by Rally Hess on Feb 19, 2012 16:01:08 GMT -6
Look me up if you do Matt. I'll have plenty at the NTA convention.
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