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Post by mnarcher on Jul 13, 2011 23:21:20 GMT -6
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Post by makete on Jul 14, 2011 7:24:18 GMT -6
Michael, please post your location in your profile. Thank you.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 14, 2011 8:02:49 GMT -6
where is the petition, from MN trappers, to do away with the ban on non residents in MN?
why did it take something like this, to get some MN trappers outraged?
until Mn offers full trapping to non residents, it would be hypocritical of me, to worry about another state.
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Post by mustelameister on Jul 14, 2011 9:51:19 GMT -6
We the undersigned wholeheartedly reject the recent petition to the SD Game, Fish, and Parks Commission that would limit non-resident trappers to a 28 day trapping season. We feel the season should end on the same day for all trappers, residents and non-residents alike.
I'd like to know more background on this petition.
Who sent the recent petition to the SD G,F,P commission?
The petition wants all nonresidents to be restricted to a 28-day trapping season?
The way I read this, I'm thinking the petition was initiated by South Dakota trappers.
Is this correct?
If so, that's interesting. After a trip to South Dakota this spring and talking with ranchers and other trappers, I got the distinct feeling that most SD trappers could care less how many nonresidents were trapping there during ice out. Several of them told me, in their opinion, there weren't enough trappers there to do the job with the spring 'rats.
At least half a dozen ranchers gave me permission to trap their ranches next spring, and each said they could get me half a dozen more ranches to trap.
This looks to me like it's coming from a few local South Dakota trappers who couldn't handle the competition.
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Post by kelly on Jul 14, 2011 10:33:25 GMT -6
Yes, this has been brought about by 13 SD residents to further restrict non resident trappers to a 28 day season between the first Saturday in Dec and March 15th. Only non residents will be effected-residents still will have their season from the first Saturday in Nov till April 30th. The full petition plus who signed it has been accepted by the SD G, F&P Commission. Now there is a 30 day comment period and then the Commission will vote on it at the August meeting. To get the full background of this issue please check out the following link on Iowa Trappers Talk. www.iowatrapperstalk.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7375 Please read all 3 pages. Please note the the person calling himself tentoes is one Brian Reynolds and the illegible name of one of the 13 signors. You might be more familiar with one of his other alias like SDfoxtrapper, SDgunner, dakota123 and farmbouy just name a few. SD went reciprocal when the Legislature passed the law recently so this effects only those non residents from states that allow NR trapping, of which the vast majority do. So these 13 individuals drummed up misleading and false information to circumvent the Legislature to further restrict NR trapping to 28 days, which will in effect eliminate NR trapping. This has been their goal all along but the Legislature derailed it so now they are trying an end around deal. |
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Post by Scott W. on Jul 14, 2011 11:16:50 GMT -6
Trappnman,
It would only be hypocritical of you to support this NR petition for SD if you were in favor of keeping NR out of MN. If you could personally change the MN law, I would ask "Why haven't you?" Since you can't, I don't hold you personally responsible for it being in place, and therefore restricting other trapper's activities. I may never get to trap SD, but that doesn't prevent me from offering my logical opinion and signing the petition. Scott
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Post by mustelameister on Jul 14, 2011 13:11:55 GMT -6
Thanks for the link, Kelly.
Was about what I thought, and if indeed these South Dakota trappers had so many perceived problems with nonresident trappers, why didn't they contact their local game wardens to resolve issues that were perceived as illegal?
My wife and I were camped at the Fort Sisseton Historic State Park selling fur and related items at a rendezvous for nearly a week. Many South Dakota residents asked me to return next March to help them with their muskrat issues.
The resident trappers that came through and identified themselves as such said they had no problem with nonresidents last year, and two of them offered phone numbers to contact to get the latest on ice out conditions.
Too bad.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 14, 2011 20:37:52 GMT -6
Don't get to worried about this from what I know this seems to have little teeth to it and I don't think either of the state assc have a concenses for it either. But keep letting them know your not in favor of such, we have a pretty good Game commision they use common sense and think things thru.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Jul 15, 2011 9:41:02 GMT -6
I am not going to weigh in on the SD NR stuff but it is interesting to read in Kelly's post how many handles one person has and here I was thinking we had thousands of individuals on the forums with more chances for good information debate and educational opportunity when in reality it is more like several hundred persons and some who think this whole thing is just some text version of a computer game. I find that disturbing and disgusting.
Bryce
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Post by Ross on Jul 15, 2011 9:48:25 GMT -6
Truth is there's just a dozen or so of us on here, Bryce. Gets a little overwhelming after a while keeping up with all the aliases. Not sure how much longer I can keep this up.  |
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Post by Wright Brothers on Jul 15, 2011 10:45:00 GMT -6
Bryce I took on District Secratary for a stint. 230 members who many of have a different name on each forum. Talk about over whelming. Funny thing was, many knew of everything discussed on here but ask them their handle and they clam up or say the computer is for kids, but they read it all.
Far as NR, anyone that I "think" (lol) I know is welcome to my Pa cabin for a shift. I very well could learn something or even gain more permisions on that line because of it. And would love to see the expresion when they are not putting 25 Pa reds in the truck each day.
Far as the SD thing, from what I have read, something just reeks over there.
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Post by mtcbrlatrap on Jul 15, 2011 11:45:36 GMT -6
That type of secrecy is like getting anonymous letters that spew things at you, as stated above that just lessens the credibility and the desire to the nature of the forums and the benefits they offer. Maybe I take things too seriously but having been on my own since the day I graduated from the 8th grade I tend to take things a bit serious as life has been serious for me.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 15, 2011 14:54:00 GMT -6
wright brothers wrote: something just reeks over there.
Who are trappers own worst enemies? TRAPPERS!
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Post by trappnman on Jul 16, 2011 6:08:42 GMT -6
onme thing you must kepe in mind-
many that went to SD, did so as gentleman- did their job, were polite and repsectful when not i nte state.
a few others, kept up a constant barrage on the internet, of disrespect, braggado and just pure and simple insults and trash talk.
and its continuing.
I feel sorry for those like Kelly and Calvin, that got caught up in the backlash- but lets put the blame for what is happening now, squarely on those shoulders of those that weren't such gentlemen.
is it wrong? certainly.
is it understandable? of course.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 16, 2011 6:35:03 GMT -6
Keep sending in letters and petitions voicing your dislike, do so in a professional manner. If you need the SD Game Commision phone numbers they are on the SD GFP website.
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Post by blackhammer on Jul 16, 2011 8:02:03 GMT -6
onme thing you must kepe in mind- many that went to SD, did so as gentleman- did their job, were polite and repsectful when not i nte state. a few others, kept up a constant barrage on the internet, of disrespect, braggado and just pure and simple insults and trash talk. and its continuing. I feel sorry for those like Kelly and Calvin, that got caught up in the backlash- but lets put the blame for what is happening now, squarely on those shoulders of those that weren't such gentlemen. is it wrong? certainly. is it understandable? of course. Too much bravado?Perhaps.But the blame for what's happening is completely on this South Dakota group of thirteen trappers pushing this.Internet insults?South Dakota Fox trapper has singlehandedly insulted and stirred up more trouble than the entire internet trapping community put together.I have heard no facts about nr stealing or being confrontational with resident trappers or farmers.I have witnessed just the opposite with nr being quite respectful to South Dakotans.I hope I can trap spring rats again in the future but I seriously doubt it will happen.The concept of reciprocity has gotten so watered down then even states with nr season will effectively handicap nr to the point it will make a decent trapping experience all but impossible. |
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Post by trappnman on Jul 16, 2011 9:06:07 GMT -6
in no way am I talking actual trapping ethics, on either side. My knowledge of that, is nil. and I'm sure NRs offered the landwoners respect and politeness.
what I am talking about, is the internet stuff, that occurred earlier in the year, and from what I read, it was one sided indeed, and came from a select few- however, those select few kept it up, long beyond the pont of, a joke i guess.
MY point, is that this type of disrespect, doesn't sit good with anyone, and those actions, are, again in my opinion, what is causing the current backlash.
and I also pointed out, that this backlash was wrong as well.
my opinion on nr, is all states should be 100% reciprical, all open to nr and residents under the same laws. its been my position for many years, but I'm tired of the debate, I'm tired of the twofaceness, i'm just tired to the point I don't care anymore either way.
Let the new generation fight it, and worry about it. Again, my whole point is the irony of the situation.
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Post by Kansaskoons on Jul 16, 2011 18:46:31 GMT -6
Let someone else worry about it trappnman? Throw your hands up, it is easy to do isn't it! Sad to see a man with "Your American Heritage" on his signature not care about it anymore.
This is my point, it is our jobs, our responsability, to care about trapping and it potential losses. It is hard for me to care about people on the internet under false names typing away about things that they may or may not have known anything about, but trapping issues we need to all care about.
We should care about any changes that take away from trappers anywhere. Does the NTA have a stand on this, where is their voice?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 16, 2011 20:17:17 GMT -6
kansastoons- I care, i'm just worn out from fighting about it and for it. One reaches a point where the brick wall wins as far as the NR issue in MN. after time, its ok to stop the bloodletting..........
In other issues, I'll let USSA fight my battles for me via donations.
if thats not enough for you-- then so be it. in any case, is your positon, which it seems to be, that if someone is against NR rtappers, then they are anti trapping? Why?
as far as this particular issue, my point was, it in all likelyhood could have been avoided.
but heres a further issue- why pick on SD? I can name state after state, starting with western states that deny certain furbearers to Nr starting with cats, and states that delay seasons and limits.
you see no correlation between internet stuff, and those restrcitions? Ah well, perhaps there is none, and i'm wrong on this.
in any case, my position is open all states up the same to NR, as well as residents.
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Post by garman on Jul 16, 2011 20:32:32 GMT -6
No steve you are right, it is not right SD's reaction and acting this way but there is a certain point where we say if you go up and call someones wife a $hore you may get smacked in the mouth. Then do whine when it happens, some people have got to learn to keep their mouths shut and be happy to show people in pvt. otherwise pay the penalty, an I am sorry but if the guys in mn would have been fighting this hard for minn. instead of worrying about P' off there fellow mn trapping buddys we may have had it passed already, sorry if this hurts feelings but it is what it is. Maybe we can learn from all of this. And maybe just maybe we can get the mn thing passed because of this.
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