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Post by martyb on Apr 26, 2008 22:13:06 GMT -6
grizz getters go on a drowner just like any other trap. not for high traffic areas but are good where the sand doesnt hole a hole.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 6:29:17 GMT -6
In a normall winter the ground surrounding those streams may may be frozen solid but your stream banks and sand bars are still workable do to the fact that water Is warmer and keeps the banks un frozen.
NO.
At least not my winters here- unless its a very warm winter, that simply is not true. I fact, the hardest thing about pulling the line, is getting those frozen pipes out of the banks. Sandbars AND banks are frozen solid within days of setting up after Thanksgiving.
beav- when Im talking winter trapping on water- Im talking Dec, Jan and Feb.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2008 8:03:15 GMT -6
I guess I should back up and admit that there are many variables to deal with and your situation may be different than mine. So you all need to sit back see what works for your situation. Last year was one of the toughest years In a long time And with all that snow we had there wasn't a speck of frost In the ground and you could clear away the snow and push stakes into the ground. But the problem was you couldn't get to the creek. Dec around here Is not a problem you can still build pockets In any stream bank. And when Jan and Feb roll around we are up In the denning areas where the coon are. Around here If your still In the water In Jan and Feb your trapping rats and mink and you just might pick up a coon or two. But there are spring fed creeks and other types of water that can be worked even Into Jan and Feb. I guess It all depends on where you are and what kind of weather conditions you have to deal with.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 8:23:47 GMT -6
beav- understand, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just relating my experiences here.
What are your denning areas?
Around here, most of the denning areas are either rocks or oak woods. No concentrations along creek areas. That is, I couldn't go into the woods and set up enough locations to make it worthwhile. Plenty of coon- but no denning concentrations where you go go and set, and take a lot of coon from 1 location.
But these coon do come out and they do come down to the creeks. I'm fortunate enough to have streams that stay open all winter- although the ones that truly get zero ice aren't the norm. Mosto f my streams come and go with ice. Even last Jan, when we had the real cold spell of 20 below, I could keep traps working in 75% of my locations to one degree or another. No- I wasn't catching many if any coon then, but the point being I still had sets working in water. When it warms to the high teens or 20s- coon move, and can move pretty good at times. When it gets into the low 30s or warmer- they move very well.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2008 8:50:48 GMT -6
You made me swear a oath not to divulge the hot coon denning sites on this forum. I like to set up baited sets right at the denning sites catch as many as you can as quick as you can. Ten or more baited sets at the den site Is not uncommon. Or If It's possible I have a trap In every den hole. And baited sets to back them up where the traps In the den holes are full. My personal best was where I set 20 den openings with 220s and took 18 coon the first check. I still set this same site 20 years later and It still gets me 20 to 30 coon each year. So no you can't over trap them. Ya they might be down from year to year but new coon will filter In. Actually this should be a thread of It's own.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 8:59:38 GMT -6
You made me swear a oath not to divulge the hot coon denning sites on this forum.
you are correct....LOL
I snare those, but here few and far between of the right kind.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2008 9:09:30 GMT -6
That's true but when you find them It's the real deal. A little map work can be a time saver. At least here In WI It works.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 9:22:11 GMT -6
the old ones are the best- many layers and levels- so many of the new ones no features.
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Post by rk660 on Apr 27, 2008 9:30:30 GMT -6
grizz getters go on a drowner just like any other trap. not for high traffic areas but are good where the sand doesnt hole a hole. If I could get a good catch rate comparable to leghold traps, they would be the ticket, but for me, their sucess rate is way behind what I can get out of a leghold trap.
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Post by trappnman on Apr 27, 2008 9:38:00 GMT -6
rk- were talking about this yesterday- and we all agreed, a good trap for its; use, but not something I'd want to switch over to. It semes the further south, the better success from people I've talked to.
Larger coon populations?
but on sandbars might be best option.
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Post by thebeav2 on Apr 27, 2008 11:01:43 GMT -6
I guess I will have to agree on the little Griz. You need to use all tools available to you and I still think I could out trap numbers wise, a guy just using Griz's and me using just foot holds. I know I'd have a lot less money invested LOL The Pipe and a foot hold In the same situation would probably out do the Griz or at least compare .
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