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Post by bogio on Jan 16, 2014 19:39:53 GMT -6
Another from the same area. click it While this one probably would not have survived the winter, I believe the one above stood a good chance at this late stage of the winter games. By taking her out, I maybe realized no monetary return for my immediate efforts but possibly prevented her from infecting other random adults or even from raising a litter, all of whom would have been infected, providing multiple ground zero carriers for the disease. Looks like good management to me.
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Post by bogio on Jan 14, 2014 20:52:26 GMT -6
I truly mean no disrespect nor do I wish to come off as a smart asss but I don't care about those numbers.
I like to trap coyotes, period.
As everything in this area was bad, I will go elsewhere as Marty has advocated.
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Post by bogio on Jan 13, 2014 17:53:21 GMT -6
Sometimes you got to cut your losses. click it click it
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Post by bogio on Jan 10, 2014 15:32:15 GMT -6
As if break down and mange aren't bad enough, I get to deal with this every year. click it
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Post by bogio on Jan 8, 2014 20:05:24 GMT -6
Rusty Cage click it White Knuckles and Showtime-the "Black Sunshine" of his life click it MARTY'S PRODUCTS ARE GOOD!!! TRY THEM!!!
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Post by bogio on Oct 23, 2013 14:00:48 GMT -6
Tman,
How about some commentary on your locations.
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Post by bogio on Oct 3, 2013 22:13:03 GMT -6
There's a reason most have little luck with post sets....... and....
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Post by bogio on Sept 29, 2013 8:15:42 GMT -6
to get things back on track, and to dovetail into the recent posts, bogio asked these questions concerning a video where a coyote had avoided a set, circled it, etc. It was a remake set I believe Bogio asked- We discuss the importance of a set they are comfortable with. What didn't they like here? The set with the dropping looks low all around it with the snow cover. Did they not like that or was it something else?
Does this location not offer what they are looking for in a stall out? Is it more of a pass through area where they are less receptive?
What about this setup compelled the coyotes to circle, back off ,leave a dropping, perform kickbacks, and leave the area without being caught?
THOSE questions, are what we are discussing-or should be I had hoped for some discussion of the videos I posted previously here but they were lost in the debate about the existence of the spot so I moved them to their own thread. That field road intersection is a location I had trapped in past years. It looks great from a text book perspective and the tracks show that coyotes are present and traveling the road. The problem with this location I THINK is that that is exactly what those coyotes are doing, traveling through. I set there for 3 or 4 seasons and the best it gave me was 4 coyotes. I also saw quite a bit of the same circling/avoidance in the snow that is seen in the videos at the top of the thread. Two years ago I abandoned this location and went about 3/4 mile further along the river to a location closer to an attraction/draw point like Tman describes. In addition, there is a wet land corner there providing me a stall out spot of sorts to get them stopped and milling around. That location has yielded 22 coyotes in those two years. What's even more interesting is that on that location, one particular spot produces ALL the coyotes while sets in relatively close proximity are ignored.
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Post by bogio on Sept 28, 2013 9:14:27 GMT -6
I would definitely set them up, but I've got a ton yet to learn. Would think you could catch several at that first location, and probably pick up a couple at the second location. The first location having more major travel ways in the area with the line of bluffs, river and feeder creek and the highway would surely have a fair amount of traffic...guessing there is a better location closer to the intersections of all those travel ways, but would think where you took the video would be a decent place. I'm assuming neither of those locations are good enough for your standards? My "standards" have yet to be finalized. That is point of trying to bring folks into discussions here. The first video would most likely be the place to set on this property. The second video is simply to show that there have been coyotes present here. It's been said that if tracks are present, set traps. I'm interested in whether or not this area would blow people's skirts up enough to make them set here.
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Post by bogio on Sept 28, 2013 9:04:42 GMT -6
I prefer grape flavored please.
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Post by bogio on Sept 28, 2013 2:01:45 GMT -6
1080 said about Tman:
"I think folks struggle with the fact you get the "Concept",BUT it`s still in the infancy stages so far as your trapline is concerned."
I feel that the fact that this is a work in progress is a very important but completely overlooked aspect of what is happening here. There is no instant gratification. It will take time, patience, hard work, and above all an open mind.
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Post by bogio on Sept 28, 2013 1:49:51 GMT -6
......on this location. I put it up in the other thread but it was lost in the vacuum. They are both videos, so click on them!
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Post by bogio on Sept 26, 2013 22:41:55 GMT -6
Shot a couple of videos today and I'll be damned if Tman didn't beat me to it in his last two posts! click it click it As I stated before, my questions were honest and asked in good faith. Also, I write my own material. The pictures showed exactly the behavior I am trying to learn to avoid. They and the accompanying text can be easily accessed and viewed in the coyote scent marking thread in the archives, page 5 I believe. The coyote in the blended set was not used due to the fact that it related in absolutely no way to my question, WHAT CAUSED MULTIPLE COYOTES TO SHOW AVOIDANCE OF THE SETS. I had no intention of biting you in the butt or calling you out. Watch my stuff and have at ME if you like.
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Post by bogio on Sept 24, 2013 18:37:23 GMT -6
""coyote water" which I learned from Wiley Carroll. Put a skinned coyote hide in a 5 gallon bucket and soak the dog smell out of it, then sprinkle a little bit of that water on a little clump of grass or a bush."
I heard James Lucero talk about this same thing at a demo once. He called it "Coyote County".
He constricted some very elaborate sets. Said it was the equivalent of the coyote walking into the Bermuda Triangle. Big voodoo!!
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Post by bogio on Sept 18, 2013 6:26:09 GMT -6
Primitive man,
If you would, read through the thread "an innate behavior" and give an opinion as to whether or not you believe you could trigger a different response from those coyotes in that situation.
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Post by bogio on Sept 17, 2013 12:37:25 GMT -6
Tman took my question for the first part of your answer right out of my mouth.
The secound part of your answer correlates to the very behavior being discussed in the other behavior thread. Would like to hear more from you about why you think the avoidance take place and what will change that reaction towards our favor.
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Post by bogio on Sept 16, 2013 19:28:45 GMT -6
What have you seen or done to indicate certain sets target certain classes and even more interesting to me, how do you "make" the coyote want to work a set regardless of where it is placed?
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Post by bogio on Sept 15, 2013 8:36:35 GMT -6
No sarcasm, honest questions. The circling and kickbacks are the behavior I am talking about. In listening to and reading what others post, this is a behavior that is exhibited by coyotes everywhere they exist and are pursued. The snow on the ground in the videos shows us exactly how the coyote reacted, I want to know WHY. We have been focusing on 2 main ideas for sometime, that location and/or set construction have a major influence on the coyote's state of mind and susceptibility to being caught. I simply am wanting input into whether or not that is what is at play here. Or is it as simplistic as he circled something he knew was there and left you a turd for good measure as jd suggests? The circling to me indicates that this animal had a problem with something that he was seeing there. Was that the way the set it self looked or where it was located? Or neither? Was it where it was placed/encountered or did that have no bearing on his actions? When my dog finds something of enough interest to lead to a kickback, he is all over it. His nose is buried into it, he'll scratch the ground to open it up so he can get a better whiff. He'll move back and forth acrossed it smelling from different angles, maybe pissing on it 2 or 3 times. His body language while performing the kickback is pure pleasure and dominance. He is happy with what he has found and done with it. There is no avoidance. He avoids sets but that is a learned behavior due to being caught and catch poled multiple times. Coyotes avoid sets and do kickbacks as a part of their makeup. It is wired into them, an innate behavior common to all of them. My trapping, due to my job constraints, starts in mid-November. I have traps in the ground from then until the last day of January when our season closes. So yes, I trap in the snow, the mud and the pixie dust. I have no choice. If that's not enough proof, I've got a bunch more.
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Post by bogio on Sept 14, 2013 18:21:56 GMT -6
Scrounged up a couple of videos that Zagman shared with us previously that are good examples of innate behavior in action.
What caused the coyotes to act in the way that they did? Was it something in the set construction that turned them off? Was it something about the location? I'd like to know what happened after the sets were reworked.
We discuss the importance of a set they are comfortable with. What didn't they like here? The set with the dropping looks low all around it with the snow cover. Did they not like that or was it something else?
Does this location not offer what they are looking for in a stall out? Is it more of a pass through area where they are less receptive?
What about this setup compelled the coyotes to circle, back off ,leave a dropping, perform kickbacks, and leave the area without being caught?
EDITED: as per request by Zagman, the videos of an open field with coyote tracks in snow avoiding and circling a set that had caught a coyote
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Post by bogio on Sept 14, 2013 16:44:07 GMT -6
Tman: I'll take all those Montanas off your hands for $5 each so that you can devote yourself to this new venture.
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