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Post by Steve Gappa on Feb 16, 2007 11:27:29 GMT -6
See? I didn't say that. I said they all stop, however briefly, and that misting would help you increase your kill ratio by 10-15%.
I did miss that- thanks for clearing that up.
non calling question:
Aren't they stopping and starting as they come in anyway?
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Post by lb on Feb 16, 2007 12:39:16 GMT -6
We see different responses. Some coyotes come in on a string from any direction. Others, maybe because of their status, they are cautious, and look the situation over very carefrully before leaving cover.
Out west here, there are many situations where the brush obscures movement. Creasote is a gauzy type of bush. You can see movement beyond, but unless they hit an opening just right, and you stop them precisely, they don't offer much opportunity for a high percentage shot...which is the only shot I like to take. I don't like to fling lead all over the place.
But, many times, a coyote is very determined to circle on you and it is extremely difficult to get them to check up, no matter what you do with various sounds, such as woofs or whoops or lip squeaks. These animals are intent on getting your wind, and they won't stop until they get there. This is where you will see a big advantage in misting. The normally suspicious coyote is suddenly standing there, downwind, while you center punch him.
Yeah, coyotes and all predators stop and start and sneak from bush to bush as they approach a stand. This is a different response than the determined coyote that circles downwind before doing anything else.
And, another thing. They seem to do this behavior as if they have been told that for today, "everybody will circle downwind; no exceptions!" I have no idea why, but coyotes do things the same way. (in some cases) One day, they are extremely cautious, the next day, they are eagar beavers, romp in to a distress sound without a care in the world. It seems to me that it is like a switch turning on and off. Same with howls or challenge barks. Some days, they are totally silent, other days, they mouth off on every stand. Who can figure?
Good hunting. LB
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Post by Steve Gappa on Feb 16, 2007 13:43:34 GMT -6
you see that same thing in trapping. On certain days- from location #1 to the last one of the day- all the traps are full.
WHAT I often wondered, made animals in some many locales, decide tonight was the night to wonder.
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Post by cdog911 on Feb 16, 2007 19:28:20 GMT -6
lb,
I hope I didn't come off as saying that what I observed on a couple standout setups should be expected as the norm. In truth, the rule is as you describe and the effect is somewhat subtle, but there nonetheless. The couple red letter instances where the mist worked better than I'd ever have expected just REALLY emphasized the occasional effectiveness of the technique and were definitely a treat to witness first hand.
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Post by joe on Feb 16, 2007 19:43:35 GMT -6
Mike thanks for the web sites to check out for rabbit urine. Good discussion on misting. I am going to give it a shot. Thanks for all the valuable incite on it guys.
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Post by Rich Higgins on Feb 17, 2007 17:26:41 GMT -6
First stand this morning. Standing in the mist about 10 yards downwind. Remained there for 2 minutes or so. Third stand this one passed within 10 feet of me and stood in the downwind for only 30 seconds or so. The white dot above and to the right of the coyote is a second coyote that would not approach any closer. It is only 80 yards out. I am the dark clump in the middle of the lower right quadrant.
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Post by Rich Higgins on Feb 17, 2007 17:49:12 GMT -6
I use the mist primarily to keep the coyotes in close for the camera. Because I have a different expectation than Leonard I make the mist differently than Leonard. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COVER SCENT. You cannot conceal an odor from a coyotes nose. I should insert "usually" here, but I think I will skip it this one time. I am convinced that it is possible to provide so much stimuli through the three S's (sight, scent and sound) that a coyote cannot process it all at once. I call that a sensory overload. The coyotes stand in place often with their noses twitching in the air totally confused. Hence the term "confounding scent" Tyler and I produced a video that includes a clip called "The Case For Misting" that demonstrates the coyotes reactions or lack of reaction to the mist. Calling coyotes to the gun in open country doesn't require misting. Calling them in heavy cover where they can hit your downwind without exposing themselves will often result in a shot opportunity. Calling to them as close as possible and keeping them there as long as possible for the camera, I believe absolutely requires misting.
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Post by SteveCraig on Feb 18, 2007 8:50:02 GMT -6
There you go boys!
Straight from the horses mouth!
Thanks for stopping in Rich Steve
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Post by Steve Gappa on Feb 19, 2007 8:07:20 GMT -6
I am convinced that it is possible to provide so much stimuli through the three S's (sight, scent and sound) that a coyote cannot process it all at once. I call that a sensory overload.
I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!
I believe the same holds true on trapping coyotes. That is why I like a visual at the scent, and multiple scents in the hole(s). The more things there to hold his interest, the longer he stays and works the set.
I always looked at it like this-
if you have only one stimuli- the set- the coyote will be able to devote 100% of his attention to the set itself- letting him absorb more detail of that set...
but if you have a bone, or imported rock or a big hole with dirt piled by the set-
the coyotes attention is split between the stimulus- and his attention to detail (in other words his full attention) is split.
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Post by nib420247 on Mar 3, 2007 19:46:46 GMT -6
now this all has me quite interested, I have the 22 ready to go in the morning. going to get 3-4 rabits and do some test hunts. I've got some good locations that I want to try, but the wind is always blowing in the wrong direction for these stands, I'm sure these spots have been called before and had yotes wind and run, so I will try and get one later this week, down wind . I've been thinking of trying to call this way for some time, I cant believe I'm even going to try, but if I could set up and use the wind to carry my sound/scent down wind, it might be an option once and a while. Around here the wind here usually blows the same way and there are a few places I can't get to cause the the down wind side is posted, so if I could get up enough courage to set up with the wind blowin on the back of my neck, it might just work. What could I lose? hopefully I'll be back here in a few days and be postin pics of a pile of fur only got a few days left on the season so, if it don't work then there will always be next year and more pups on opening day. going to get the 243 sighted for the long shot, dam warm weather and mating, probly rubbed now and aint much good but for target practice anyway. Please anyone else without much to do, please try it out and post back.
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