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Post by FWS on Jun 2, 2006 8:20:53 GMT -6
One big negative is cost, they are not a trap you use on public lands.
It's interesting with all the debate over BMP's that so many are accepting of traps costing over $30 each.
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Post by Hornhunter on Jun 2, 2006 9:15:31 GMT -6
That sure is a concern i think about often. And I am guilty of not keeping up with the results.But no doubt it will be the offset, laminated and/ or rubber jawed traps that will be for coyote and fox traps.+ "Belisle cable traps" --If it comes down to 3 being too big I'm screwed. Many of mine will have to have extra lamination added, maybe a wider offset. This is something we should pay more attention too. buyers and manufacturers! If the Canadian standard is approved in the US and used, them many of mine should pass as is.--I hope!
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Post by z on Jun 2, 2006 9:23:42 GMT -6
Beav, When/where do you trap the bulk of your coyotes? Are you nailing all these coyotes in 1.75's stock in December/January in Wis.? Or, Are these S.C. and Mississippi coyotes? Live Market/Short checks etc.? Just wondering is all.......
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 2, 2006 12:18:47 GMT -6
robert I have used my sterlings very heavy through the years and have a small triangle file to touch up the areas that need it. Wax and a good sharp edge and you have zero problems with safety. Your not making it deeper your just putting the side back on the part that makes contact and a light filing on the tab that holds the dog and your back in business. I have some sterlings that are 20+ years old and still going strong and no problems with that area at all.
As far as cost they are worth every penny in my mind, like a rifle some will buy a savage,other a rem or winchester and others want a custom made rig for 2-3x's the cost. What does the BMP's have to do with the cost of traps?
The sterling isn't dangerous as once you get the jaws down and hold the tab you control the whole works with little effort. You can feel the dog "bite" into the notch on the pan and your set and have good pan tension for safety sake as well
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Post by robertw on Jun 2, 2006 12:41:51 GMT -6
#1) I didn't mention ANYTHING about BMPs in thi thread.
#2) Maybe you can explain how you can easily file the notch in the "flapper" attached to cam lever with a file? It just can't be done easily..I ended up having to use the cutting disc's on a dremel tool to get the job done on mine...
#3) Your equipment has it pretty easy since you live in a drier climate as it is not exposed to alot of mud and wet akaline soils that work on steal like in some other areas.
#4) Yes the MJ 600 was way before it's time but....I doubt any trap locks up better than the "Jake" trap....
#5) all of this is BS as the quality of the "Trapper" is the biggest key to catching the most coyotes....
#6) My favorite trap was the Northwoods #4 copy of the Sterling, just a shame they didn't have as high of a quality of springs put in them when they wer manufactured.
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Post by FWS on Jun 2, 2006 13:14:27 GMT -6
Mandate a device that is $30+ each and you'll discover how relevant costs are to the majority of trappers.
The BMP's have everything to do with cost, if a state mandates that only those devices approved by the BMP process are allowed then it requires purchasing those devices.
Not unlike the choice I had when my state mandated that only 'commercially manufactured' padded traps were allowed in 1991. And then again in 1998 when the voters decided I should only be allowed cage traps.
Politics will dictate the practises and the equipment everyone uses eventually.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 2, 2006 14:40:09 GMT -6
Robert I didn't say anything about cost in reference to you, that was FWS. AS far as the flapper yes I use the same small triangle file as I do for the dog. It is not a problem for me. Your comment about soils is just way off, have you ever trapped gumbo? Have you ever seen the white alkaline banks in the area I live? This soils is very hard on traps to the point when the gray gumbo gets wet it in time will peel off wax. Tell me how the Jake locks up better than an mj600? Look at the jaws of a mj600 and you will see the lock up is built into the jaws to give you 99% or better lock up with a coyote foot in the trap. How does the Jake do better?
Yep everybody try's to copy the best ;D I agree ability makes a big difference but one thing no trapper can control 100% is the animal and how it reacts or the final outcome all of the time, so for that quality equipment saves you time,money and animals.
FWS have you even looked at the BMP's? Look at all the other traps that have passed for coyotes? The sterling was only tested in the western BMP and many other choices made a passing grade including some with no mods at all!
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Post by FWS on Jun 2, 2006 15:09:43 GMT -6
Sure have, and I'm not opposed to BMP's. My point is that much existing equipment will not qualify and if those recommendations become mandates it will become a cost issue to many.
As I pointed out, politics will decide this for everyone in the long term. And the choice of retrofitting existing equipment may not exist.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 2, 2006 15:34:33 GMT -6
Z majority of my coyotes are caught In SC and MS during the months of Jan and Feb.
I don't mess with coyotes or fox at home In WI. To busy trapping coon and rats. WI coyotes are just about worthless as to fur quality.
The only thing I do to my 1.75s Is outside laminate them and change out the cheap chain with new chain and a few more swivels.
The ground I trap in Is mostly sand country with some clay but If I'm In clay ground I use my ant hill dirt.
I don't pack dirt over my spring levers or over the tops of my jaw edges.
All live market stuff and short checks. When it gets down to freezing the traps get checked In the middle of the night or I just spring them until It warms up.
The reason I use the 1.75 Is that It fits the size restrictions that are placed on me In SC. i would probably go to a bigger trap if I was fur trapping but I'm not. You learn to adapt as to what you use and what restrictions are placed on you.
Just like I have changed out the over sized pans on The 1.75 and replaced them with 1 1/2 round pans. It has cut down on sprung traps just sitting In the bed. You have to learn to adapt.
The trap works for me In my situations. And If some one rips me off I'm not out a lot of money. I think I have about $60.00 a doz In them. Lets face It I'm cheap.
Gary
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Post by RdFx on Jun 2, 2006 16:12:55 GMT -6
Ha Beav maybe your cheap with your traps but when Pam says i need some more landscaping done where you have been practicing setting traps... out comes the billfold.....LOL
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Post by markymark on Jun 2, 2006 16:33:38 GMT -6
Just like I have changed out the over sized pans on The 1.75 and replaced them with 1 1/2 round pans. It has cut down on sprung traps just sitting In the bed. You have to learn to adapt.
Gary
You made it a point that nothing is wrong with the pan size on the KB thread.
Ya well If the trap is adjusted right that won't happen. I run alot of Dukes and have NEVER had that happen to any traps I have .
HMMMMM
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Post by trappnman on Jun 2, 2006 16:43:45 GMT -6
apples and oranges Marky.
There is not a problem with the pan per se- as in any mechanical problem.
But in using the small traps like the Duke 1.75- the pan is too big animal wise- allowing a coyote to stand on the pan and 1/2 out of the trap. Beav changes pans, I pack solid. Two different approaches to an inherent problem with the 1.75s.
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 2, 2006 18:25:04 GMT -6
Like Steve said, I don't change out the pan because It's to big and hangs up. I change It because It decreases the chance of having the foot on the pan and the jaw at the same time.
Gary
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Post by thebeav2 on Jun 2, 2006 18:28:44 GMT -6
Hey Rdfx I just got done with some more honey do landscaping. She has our money lol. But I have mine LOL And DJ I don't need any coments from you LOL
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Post by nvwolfer on Jun 2, 2006 21:14:40 GMT -6
There's 3 little things I don't like about Glen's trap is that you can't use a screen cover, I wish the jaw spread was a little wider and the biggest thing is with no loose jaw I have a heck of a time springing the trap as I can't get my finger up from the bottom to trip the pan. But I will say that it is a great trap from a great inovator who has quietly done a heck of alot for the trapping community and who also happens to be one heck of a nice guy both Glen and Junior. If I was a leader of any military outfit the first person I would recruit would be Junior to be my sniper as he is one heck of a great shot.
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Post by robertw on Jun 2, 2006 21:42:59 GMT -6
I use screens on my Sterlings!
TC37, Yes I have worked about every kind of Gumbo and Buckshot that there is....I've also worked in the white alkali..
The "Jake" trap locks up like no other trap on the market (it does have it's limitations though)....To the point of being hard to get off of an animal where most trappers end up using there feet on the trap to get the levers broke down...
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jun 3, 2006 10:54:57 GMT -6
I have found no advantage to screen use with the sterling. The kill area is very ideal and the pan and jaw ratio is very good. TC37, Yes I have worked about every kind of Gumbo and Buckshot that there is....I've also worked in the white alkali.. Then you know that the sterling can handle ALL soils and keep on going!
The "Jake" trap locks up like no other trap on the market (it does have it's limitations though)....To the point of being hard to get off of an animal where most trappers end up using there feet on the trap to get the levers broke down...
How does it lock up better? The levers ride up on the straight jaw sides, so I don't see the advantage of the jake's lock up ability over the sterling mj600 that has a cam action into the jaws once the levers reach and make the click they are not moving and are hard to open but can be done with my hands.
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