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Post by Steve Gappa on Apr 12, 2005 10:20:22 GMT -6
I'll shortly be carrying Marty's Stinger Kill Springs and his S- Hook BADs.
I'll be getting an order in during late May, early June.
For those wanting Stingers, let me know and I'll put you on the list...
Stinger Kill Springs:
25 count - $27.50 50 count - $52.50 100 count - $99.00
Senneker Elite 120# S- Hook BAD:
50 count - $16.50 100 count - $30.00
Senneker Elite 100# S- Hook BAD:
50 count - $16.50 100 count - $30.00
Commercial Grade 200# S- Hook BAD:
100 count- $14.00
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Post by Furhandler on Apr 12, 2005 10:38:05 GMT -6
For those that never seen them, here is a wolf snare with one. I will attempt to take my first wolf next winter with these.
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Post by musher on Apr 12, 2005 10:59:43 GMT -6
What's the breaking point of the BAD in the photo? Is it a wolf/moose BAD or a wolf/deer one?
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Post by Furhandler on Apr 12, 2005 11:10:11 GMT -6
I'm not really sure, it's a model I borrowed off Jim Gibb to make up my own. Maybe he has the answer. I know it's 3/32 wire and lock is Marty's also. Look closely and your will see the teeth that he files in round part of the lock which allows it to bite into the wire.
Jim?
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Post by Gibb on Apr 12, 2005 11:34:13 GMT -6
The breakaways are ordered through Baddog. I believe they are #250 . Marty can fix you up with the bads as well or maybe Steve will also sell the heavy wolf bad. Cheers Jim
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Post by Stef on Apr 12, 2005 11:37:48 GMT -6
Any reports Jim on those BAD with incidental and wolf catch? Problem here is that we have wolves in deer country and wolves in moose and caribou country... Those 3 animals can change things quick you know?
Marty, can you help?
Stef
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Post by trappnman on Apr 12, 2005 11:46:48 GMT -6
Marty mentioned 100, 120 and 200 lb BADs. so- a guess- that one is the 200 lb commercial grade BAD.
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Post by Stef on Apr 12, 2005 12:22:42 GMT -6
Yeah Steve, those are for yotes but Marty has a Wolf BAD model available
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Post by Gibb on Apr 12, 2005 13:48:02 GMT -6
The wolf BAD #250 are good for 800lbs loop pull. Good to let the Moose out but not to sure about deer. Maybe best to ask Baddog. I waited til he had the heavier BAD for wolf before making up my stingers. Cheers Jim
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Post by BadDog on Apr 13, 2005 10:33:21 GMT -6
Breakaway Device Values are suggested Straight Pull Values. I will be doing some BAD lab testing (hopefully ) this month.
For wolves, I have a heavy duty commercial s-hook, didn't think they'ld be wanted south of the border, but we can do so. I have been playing around with different commercial s-hooks and have been changing stock as better is found. Hate doing it this way, but am doing the best I can for people that are wanting to use the Stinger on wolves. I will be building a proper wolf worthy device this summer, it is needed, and nothing on the market at this time is worthy, hence my suggestion in my instruction sheet for wolf trappers to use wire splices in place of s-hook BAD's on wolves just to be sure their catch is held.
Stef, when it comes to caribou and deer and such, some things in life may not be possible. A wolf is truly a powerful animal, possibly leg caught caribou could release a wolf worthy BAD. When snaring wolves with smaller than moose non-targets around, I feel the only thing you will be able to do is use the deer stop technique and allow your leg caught non-targets the opportunity to escape. An s-hook BAD that will hold a wolf will likely have value only on grizzly bear, leg caught moose, elk and similar sized animals.
For wolves, in particular the western monsters, I would now suggest people to start with 3/32" 1x19 wire and work down to 5/64" 1x19 wire with caution. I have written in my instruction sheet that I would boldly go with 5/64" 1x19, after discussing it with many trappers on large western wolves, it would be something that a guy should approach with caution. However, I have not had any wolf people get back to me to let me know what kind of success they had this past season. At this point in time, I do not have any wolf experience, still intend to, (have been saying this for many years), the price of diesel will dictate whether I get to go wolf trapping this next season!
Furhandler, I hope the snare you intent to set for wolves is either 5/64" or 3/32"! At least with the massive western monsters. I have been told that on wolves it would be a bad idea to run a single aluminum ferrule at the end of your snare past the Stinger, as they are prone to slippage with such a powerful animal. Two suggestions for the wolf trapper are: 1) Use a sizeable heat treated nut in place of the end ferrule/ single stop, or 2) run a double ferrule in place of the single stop, running the cable end through the double ferrule and back through the double ferrule to complete your snare. The second suggestion will be fool proof, any slippage of the cable results in the cable tightening further in the double ferrule, I would state that due to the nature of the powerful wolf, use the heat treated steel nut with caution.
Jim, any captures? People must relealize that Jim has relayed to me that his wolves are smaller than the western wolf. (On a non-related topic... I hope your not still sore with me and my big mouth, won't happen again!)
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Post by Gibb on Apr 13, 2005 10:55:58 GMT -6
Never was sore just like to point things out once in awhile. I have not had the chance to really set enough snares to give you an answer. Plan to really give it ago this fall. Had a visitor from Alberta you may well know, Gordy. Cheers Jim
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Post by BadDog on Apr 13, 2005 11:15:36 GMT -6
How could a guy ever forget Gordy? My first cusomer to own 1000 Stingers! I guess you could say he was quite impressed with them!
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Post by gunny on Apr 13, 2005 13:11:01 GMT -6
"The wolf BAD #250 are good for 800lbs loop pull."
What is the loop pull requirement on the 100# BAD?
Would like to set some under fence snares that are occasionally visited by antelope.
Thank you,
Gunny
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Apr 13, 2005 16:42:06 GMT -6
Gunny with a bad and tension device of any kind, a neck caught goat isn't breaking it out! It takes very little to choke down a deer or goat with cable and even a 90lb bad!!! I couldn't recommend to you setting snares were antelope cross under!!!! Your going to end up with a pile of dead goats.
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Post by gunny on Apr 13, 2005 18:48:48 GMT -6
TC35: Thats exactly why I haven't set any, and I won't set any, until I find a method or device that will snare a cat and allow a yearling antelope to escape.
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Post by musher on Apr 14, 2005 7:02:04 GMT -6
Are there any Canadian dealers?
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Post by Stef on Apr 14, 2005 7:17:19 GMT -6
Thanks BadDog...
Musher... I heard that Mactrap will carry them... call him.
Later
Stef
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Post by MChewk on Apr 14, 2005 9:18:44 GMT -6
With all of this Wolf discussion...question comes to mind....using say regular 3/32, 1/8 cable with camlock or Hoffman locks what is the percentage of waterheads? How many chew out break outs do most guys that target ALOT of wolves experience?
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Post by BadDog on Apr 14, 2005 10:52:24 GMT -6
It's all uncharted terrotory Mchewk. Time will tell.
I would imagine Musher you realize that I'm Canadian and in Canada and am the inventor and distributor? ;D
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Post by Cliffy on Apr 14, 2005 11:09:00 GMT -6
I will more than likely never snare a wolf and the stingers (or any spring) are illegal in Ohio.
I used 280# bad season before last and had a couple yotes open them up and escape so I use deer stops only on my coyote snares now (In Ohio you can use one or the other to be legal).
Wouldn't a 250# BAD be a small for a wolf ? Our yotes around here run anywhere from 30# to 70# with the norm in my area being high 40# range with a few in the high 50's to low 60's not uncommon and the BADs can't hold them always.
I assume that a wolf is much larger and more powerful than that so will it hold them due to the stinger ?
I know nothing about this but always willing to be educated in other ways/equipment that people use elsewhere.
I can always dream of Wolf trappin LOL.
Cliff
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