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Post by braveheart on Aug 1, 2021 4:22:28 GMT -6
Some guys run to every state an national convention. They say they make bait or lure. I never really see how they can do it. It takes a lot of time to make bait an lure. I have a lot of stuff that is 3 phase in making an you have to have the eye to watch it. And some guys go so called long line with 3 to 4 different people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 4:44:41 GMT -6
Maybe “long-lining” is the wrong term, maybe state-hopping would be better.
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Post by trappnman on Aug 1, 2021 6:49:59 GMT -6
I got a chance yesterday at the MTA, to attend some demos. As a dealer, it was hard to take time away to watch anyone elses demo so only took time if it was someone I really wanted to see.
I watched 2 other coyote demos besides mine- both by good coyote trappers.
Let me digress a bit- back when I was a pup, and was getting into the Fd trial game, someone told me this " ask advice from every good houndsman you know. You will find, 90% of what they say is the same. 10% will be contradictory, etc. Take the 90%- and then experiment with the 10"
I don't challenge anyone doing a demo- hate it when it happened to me- but I do ask questions. If I differ, I might go up afterwards and discuss it. As Chris McAllister says " if it works for you, you are doing it right." And when someone tells me at a demo Im wrong, they do it that way, thats exactly what I tell them and move on-
including me (no humility for me lol), 3 major coyote demos that day. We agreed on almost everything- with quite notable exceptions.
one, was very much a see a track, set on it. He will be back is his thought. And he catches a lot of coyotes.
also, he never had success in badger remakes, and I absolutely love badge remakes- sure fire sets for me.
so I mentioned it- and it turns out I always make my remake almost a lure free walkthrough....
and he was just remaking dirtholes.
And both of us love beans- duff sets- but he always uses it as more of flat set in that there is no dirthole, instead he rakes a pile, then makes a point coming off it facing the fenceline, etc. whereas I always make it a concave backing for a dirthole. So we both learned a different aspect of the set.
Another, again a man who catches a lot of coyotes in several states, gave a demo where I was nodding my head throughout- singular set type, mindset, He liked more of a trench set overall, and I like more of a dished dirthole, importance of visual etcs.
but...and I have to say I was somewhat flabbergasted.... He uses no urine, he uses no lure- just a very small amount of bait.
I thought how can we be so close on everything- and that similarity deepened in a post demo conversation?
So- that was the how----
As seldom says- what was the why?
His thought was after the visuals do their job (dirt pile, bones) He wanted the coyote to come into his set, not jacked up. Thus the subtle odors.
and myself- I am the polar opposite in that I throw all the bells and whistles at it- 2 lures, commercial and natural bait, plus copious urine use.
(and yes as I say at the demos, I know a coyote can smell minute amounts of scent- but my goal isn't to make him aware, but make him unable to resist)
I want the coyote jacked up to a degree- because if on the right location- any initial neophobic behavior elicited by the bone, the messy dirthole and all that odor doesn't last long. His innate curiosity will overcome his initial behavior.
I have though attended demos, and a couple by VERY famous people, that left me wondering if they really have a clue, and aren't just trapping high population areas where coyotes come easy. for example when I was in Dodge City trapping, had a stockyard just out of town as 1st stop, and it didn't take much knowledge to take coyotes there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 8:31:01 GMT -6
RIGHT ON!!!
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