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Jun 13, 2017 3:51:36 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 13, 2017 3:51:36 GMT -6
Not sure if I would trade aldrich for ouell's either. That incomplete foot catch on the last bear isn't something I liked. But it was a big bear. Most bears are smaller around here. Your southern bears are bigger.
When you talk ADC I'm guessing you are referring to bears stripping the bark off softwood trees? I see the results in the fall but never in the spring. They are in the popular in the spring eating leaves or grasses in the swamps.
What location do you look for when working in spring?
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Jun 13, 2017 7:16:43 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 13, 2017 7:16:43 GMT -6
They start peeling western hemlock first, then move into the Douglas fir trees. Usually trees that are ten to twenty five years old. They usually peel trees near the roads here as their like end rows in a field they get more sunlight and develop faster than trees father in the stand. I'm told it's a learned behaviour, mom teaching her young. Not all bears peel. We target the culprits on fresh peeling and try to leave a healthy population of non-peeling bears.
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Jun 13, 2017 7:24:18 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 13, 2017 7:24:18 GMT -6
What type of lock is that on your snares, a relaxing type ? Ours is just a standard'L' type. We also use the cable clamps to build ours. I don't like the aluminum double ferrules especially when building the loop.
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Jun 13, 2017 8:48:42 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 13, 2017 8:48:42 GMT -6
I believe the one in the photo is a keeflok. I use many different types. I also reuse them. As long as it will close fast and stay tight it is good for me.
I add the cable clamps on some snares just as an extra precaution.
What do you tempt a bark peeler with?
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Jun 13, 2017 21:43:42 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 13, 2017 21:43:42 GMT -6
When I first started we used bvr carcasses and beef heads. Bvr is still good bait but we now use just small amount of bait mix in a gallon milk jug. We hang One on each end of trail set about 4-6 ft high with Aldrich in the middle. Cuts down on non targets big time. Sometimes we smear lure on the jug ,lots of times we don't. Amazingly with the lid on and no holes in jug a bear can still smell it , they pull it down and rip jug apart to eat contents.
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Jun 14, 2017 3:57:47 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 14, 2017 3:57:47 GMT -6
Ever try Procoon? You might cut down on one jug per set.
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Jun 14, 2017 7:13:46 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 14, 2017 7:13:46 GMT -6
My mentor makes several bear lures that work great. I have formulas. On your bears that bat the buckets do you pre-bait in the bucket ? Sometimes I think the ones doing this are trying to grab it and run off as they probably aren't the dominate bear. Your thoughts ? ?
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Jun 14, 2017 8:58:33 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 14, 2017 8:58:33 GMT -6
I prebait before setting. That includes putting bait in the bucket if a bucket is already installed. (A proven location.)
There are lots of bow hunters here. Their installation is usually a bucket/drum chained to a tree. The drum has openings here and there. To remove the food the bear has to shake the drum.
The idea is that the bear moves around batting the drum. By doing so it eventually places itself for a good shot.
These drums are often baited with dog food/corn molasses whatever.
Any bear that travels, and they all do, run across these drums. The drums are in the woods year long.
A bear will usually grab food and take it somewhere else to eat it if the food has any size to it. I don't know if dominance is the issue or just being furtive.
Do your bear lures smell pleasant? Procoon does. And it lasts forever. A rag soaked in procoon and tied to an m-15 trigger can still connect the next season! Anise and vanilla are also popular lures around here.
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Jun 14, 2017 17:47:59 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 14, 2017 17:47:59 GMT -6
Yes very pleasant. Mostly fruit smells, and yes a rag with his lure on an m-15 works great.
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Jun 15, 2017 13:55:32 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 15, 2017 13:55:32 GMT -6
The video won't open for me. Might just be this computer? Looking at the Quell trap, I noticed the notches, now the black part of the trap just sits on the ground right? You just need to dig out a little hole for the "pan" to fall, is that right? You can dig a large hole and completely hide all the black part of the trap. You do not have to dig any hole under the pan/grill. It is halfway up the black and has lots of room to move. A piece of moss on the pan/grill and all is ready. I cannot get the video to play, either.
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Jun 17, 2017 14:57:08 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 17, 2017 14:57:08 GMT -6
Have you had to repair your ursa bucket set up ? Mine got broke on first capture
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Jun 18, 2017 4:15:15 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 18, 2017 4:15:15 GMT -6
What is the ursa bucket set up? The m-15 set up? If so, yes. The bears need something solid to brace their front feet on as they peer in Then they slap the crap out of it! I have chainsawed groves in close growing trees so side slaps are impossible. The bear somehow tore the bucket down anyways.
I remember when we could just place the bucket on the ground and make a capture.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:55:49 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 18, 2017 11:55:49 GMT -6
No it's a square bucket with frame, called ursus-2 comes from same place as the ouell. Just different style bucket snare...I prefer the m-15s. We don't have many batters here. Usually just reset and capture...Idk if it's same one that originally batted or not but it doesn't seem like they continually bat it. Usually once maybe twice then a catch.
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Jun 18, 2017 14:17:03 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 18, 2017 14:17:03 GMT -6
Did you ever try 280's or 330's lying flat on the ground with a snare attached to them?
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Jun 18, 2017 19:24:19 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 18, 2017 19:24:19 GMT -6
Nope. Just Aldrich and the m-15 . They seem to be the easiest and less hardware to contend with than everything else I've seen. Doing damage work like this we want simple and effective. Very hard to convince me that an Aldrich in a well guided trail set can be beat ! ! We use fake footprints on each side of the snare and pretty much get the bear to step where we want. The set I was taught takes nearly 45 min to make properly.
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Jun 19, 2017 3:51:53 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 19, 2017 3:51:53 GMT -6
The fake footprints are interesting. I wonder if your dominance theory fits into that somehow. 45 minutes is a long time with your face in the flies. Here is a link to the conibear set ups. I'm not a fan but sometimes I use it. It is a good way to have a large trap jump in front of your face. It is in French but the photos do the explaining. blocnotedutrappeur.com/pages/ours/technique2.htm
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Jun 19, 2017 14:55:20 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 19, 2017 14:55:20 GMT -6
I'd heard of it and I'll check it out. Think heavily blocked cat set with the foot prints. I use 3-4 steps on each side of snare, i want bears last step into snare to be a lil bit longer. I also want bear stepping in with the foot that's next to the spring not the opposite one. I was taught punji sticks don't work well for guides. I used dry crackly type sticks piled where I don't want him to step.
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Jun 19, 2017 18:03:52 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 19, 2017 18:03:52 GMT -6
I was taught punji sticks don't work well for guides. I used dry crackly type sticks piled where I don't want him to step. Boy, am I ever glad to read that. Punji sticks are a big thing around here. I find them time consuming and inefficient. I do as you do by putting "debris" like small dry balsam fir twigs where I don't want the bear to step. What do you make your prints with? I pound a depression with a hammer/axe/whateverisclosest to make a stepping spotat the trap location but I have never made a trail. But the bears usually have made a trail by the time I set. What do you dispatch with?
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Jun 19, 2017 21:24:33 GMT -6
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Post by eedup on Jun 19, 2017 21:24:33 GMT -6
I use hatchet and my fist to make 'tracks'. Alder sticks or anything that snaps when you break it. 12ga.with slugs is my preferred dispatch tool. Try 2 baits thirty yards apart (if legal) kick a trail between them or like you say they'll make one. Pick convenient anchor tree in between for the snare.
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Jun 20, 2017 9:02:28 GMT -6
Post by musher on Jun 20, 2017 9:02:28 GMT -6
I've killed them with several calibers. I didn't try a .17 and I don't plan on it. A .22 takes a pretty precise ear shot. Slugs do the job but damage the let too much. Especially in the head!
I like a .22 mag. Small hole, lights out with no moan. The bullet enters and bounces around. But do they ever bleed when skinning head down. A big game bullet in the lungs is less messy but not as pelt friendly.
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