Ford moving car production to Mexico?

[trappincoyotes39]

Wonder why?

Trump had a great thought on this .

used to be, cars were made in Flint and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. “Now, the cars are made in Mexico and you cannot drink the water in Flint. That’s not good,” Trump said.

[PamIsMe]

Yeah Trump's a big thinker alright. Wonder why he has some of his clothing line made in Mexico?
He said way back in April when Ford first made the announcement that if he were President it wouldn't happen and if it did he'd put a 35% import tax on cars brought into the US. Like that would happen. Ford's comment was that they are a global company. They have plants all over the world, it's only because it's Mexico that anyone even cares.

Wonder if Trump would care if the plant were being built in Russia? lol

Cheers,
Pam

[trappincoyotes39]

His clothing line versus the dollars lost from Ford? LOL. He also stated if American would change their tax structure many business would be comming back to the US.

He could very well impose a stronger tariff one way to keep them from going. It all comes down to bottom line dollars and sense and that is where the left keeps thinking we just keep taxing and taxing and things will, be better. Ford is just another of a long list as to why we can't keep going down that road.

Also he was spot on with is water comment, Flint ,MI a very Liberial city that is going to heck In a hand basket. The water and other factors of that town are just bad, really bad. But what is going to take place?

[trappnman]

his "tax structure" would add trillions to the national debt- don't just drink the water TC- THINK

congress sets tariffs

and he was stupid in his comments, since this was done under STATE REPUBLICANS. Do you understand anything about the issue TC- or are you as much a jonny come lately to this as Trump. Got his ego handed to him by the pastor-

and BTW- no jobs will be lost- the same factory, the same workers will be producing cars in the future.

you alays talk about your high sense of morality TC- yet, time after time your sense of morality is dictated by dollars.

Trump gets everything made overseas- then has the balls to criticize Ford? Good Grief- what a turd

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman no jobs lost how? They are going from 250,000 to 750,000 being produced in Mexico? Very short term you could be correct , long term? No way we will loss of jobs have to. They just upped the pay this spring to over 55 per hour! What do you think they pay in Mexico? 3 times the number Tman will be made there, also Ford no longer can use the term American Made either.

To think this move will not cost US jobs is just plain Naive at best. We cannot keep continuing at 50,000 plus vehicle cost or all of them will go like the American made TV gone.

Yes congress sets tariffs but you think we might get a president that might actually start working with congress again? Been along time I know.

Might want to spend 3 minutes reading this.

www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/2016/q1/move-mexico-ford-no-longer-made-usa/

[trappnman]

no jobs lost how?

guess you have to read what ford said

[trappincoyotes39]

Of course ford is going to paint a rosey picture given the landscape and the mood durring this election cycle LOL.

You really think they are going to come out now and state over the next 5-10 years we will be looking at cutting X amount of jobs here in the US? I mean really?

56.00 per hour avg wages at the ford plants in the US, that is not sustainable not at all in any way shape or form. Hence the tripling of foreign made vehicles for Ford. They have little profit in those small cars and at 56.00 per HR wages it zaps away any profit from them and still be priced in a competitive fashion.

Tman we have both a Ford and GM plant down this way, trucks are doing well for now it has to slow down unless they get cost containment , without that more and more vehicles will be moving to other countries.

Yet they are also sitting on a pile of inventory they took over an entire mall parking lot in KC to house vehicles and pay guards 24/7 to keep an eye on them all. Another spot has 100 and 100's of vans sitting and kept guard over as well. I know a guy that works for Ford he gets OT by going in on Saturdays to drive vehicle from the claycomo plant to these lots for 4-5 hours and makes a lot of money for driving vehicles from the plant to a storage lot,mall figured into the cost which keeps going up and up.

Soon we will be looking at 10 year loans and by the time the loans are done what does a person have in equity left?

We shall see what ford and others do in the coming years, but jobs will be an issue sooner rather than later. Remember ford did not switch to the new aluminum body because they thought it to be cool, they did it to try and hit MPG standards which if they do not get a nice heavy fine from our govt. while adding increased cost to every consumer. Same as with the new diesel trucks and blue def requirements price a new diesel 4 wheel drive will give most people a heart attack.

[trappnman]

yes, you always "know a guy" and "that guy" seems to be the expert on everything.

as far as another of your lies- Roughly speaking, the average hourly pay for a member of the United Auto Workers currently ranges from $28 to $38 or so for those hired before September 2007, and between $16 and $20 for workers hired afterward.

Do you just make stuff up?

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman you are figuring just the pay not all the benefits which ford has to pay out. It is also an avg across the board of employees at the company plus retirees as well. The bottom line is what the do pnay has to pay out.

There is a reason they have lowered wages and benefits and hired many PT workers they know the cost cannot keep going at these rates, bottom line is Mexico is receiving jobs over the USA.

I know people the facts are the facts. If you want to make great money for Low production job become a car runner for ford in claycomo,MO.

This same guy was off for almost 10 weeks with pay while they changed over the truck line for the new alum body, he was paid and kept benefits all of this time while adding zero production hi. And many,many others. He also worked on the side and made more than just his FT job at ford.


www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2016/04/05/fords-brilliant-election-year-move-a-new-factory-and-2800-jobs-in-mexico/#52be493365c7

[trappnman]

did you want your guy to go on hold for 10 weeks?

should he lose his house?

thank God for unions!

$28 to $38 or so for those hired before September 2007, and between $16 and $20 for workers hired afterward.


pretty average wages for any union job- about $34,000 on low end, $65 on high end.

and yes benefits- weren't you the one bragging that people should just get a job with benefits like you and your wife did? but know they (unlike yourself) are greedy?

oh my....

yes, folks like Trump ARE sending jobs to Mexico- after all- in his words- "you can't get them made (ties, shirts, furniture, etc)here"

so ok for Trump to do it on all his lines- but not ford?

oh my....

[trappincoyotes39]

Thanks god unions are dying like the dinosaur once did. ford is a private company and can do as they wish but paying people to have zero production, then we wonder why things cost so much? Really?

It is because of unions they could not have them do other things, and it is because of unions if one gets bumped from their job they can show up do nothing and get paid until a job that suits them opens up. Again paying for zero production at times. No real business can run that way for very long with out issues and cost rising.

Benefits are one thing for sure, but there has to be caps or then some complain why they lost their beenfits promised after retirement. The added cost to cover retirees for many,many years has made the majority of companies review and make changes to retiree plans, the rising cost can not be eaten up any longer, the trend is to break ties once you retire because of those cost. Happens more and more all the time. Outside of the few big unions left very few get retiree paid health insurance because of added cost to cover both working and retired people.

[trappnman]

oh my

[trappincoyotes39]

I know the truth is hard at times, but that is where we are. People live longer and if your allowing people to retire at 52-55 years of age and covering them and their spies for another 20-25 years and doing that in any numbers that cost gets really big.

Many companies used to offer blue ribbon retire packages early out bonuses and lifetime covered benefits. They cannot do that anymore. That is why have fianancial advisors is important. Many states area doing the same thee days less and less offer full retirement benefits because of the cost.

Ask why is Frod moving to Mexico? Easy enough answer and that trend will continue unless changes are made like it or not.

[trappnman]

I agree- we shouldn't cover spies

[trappincoyotes39]

Ok at least we agree on something finally............

[bblwi]

I can see your point about not wanting a union, but what we all need to understand that because of unions we have better working conditions, compensation and more safety. Without them most American workers would be treated similar to how the 10-14 million undocumented workers are treated as to compensation, benefits and safety etc.
Maybe unions don't fit the modern workforce and we are starting to see some of that in our younger work force who want to negotiate their own terms and do and many times they move much more quickly and cause companies to lose monies etc. We are just starting to see a lot of this in the workers who are in their middle 30s and down. There is no contract forcing them to follow certain rules so they argue for their own and many leave causing companies to have a more of a revolving workforce which works well for positions needing little training or continuity, but not so good where those are a necessity.
Many on hear blame the socialistic government for the attitudes of our younger adults. I disagree it is much more about parents believing that their children have needs and entitlements and really pressure the school systems to comply to their wills. We are creating a less community based society at the kindergarten level these days. That did not use to happen until the early 20s.

Bryce

[trappincoyotes39]

we have laws many,many laws protecting workers. Wages are supply and demand and should remain that way in a global economy. If we want to see more people replaced by robots and automation then the unions are great, last time I checked robots do not pay union dues?

The school issues are such because many parents do not want to take responsibility for their kids at varying age groups. They want to hold the schools accountable for their kids actions which we all know is BS. Again my wife has been in elementary education for 25 years the things she has seen and has taken place in regards to parents is over the top and disgusting. The way many of these parents act shows their kids all of the wrong attributes of what being an adult is all about.

When you have to have police involvement at schools because of parents actions and remarks? Then we wonder where many of these young adults get their entitlement mind sets from?

[trappnman]

TC you really need to get your family off of the govt payroll- and see what is happening in factories, hospitals etc

Wages going down, benefits going down-

I'm 100% a union man- I live in the real world. You cry about globalization, yet you despise the American worker

you rail and rail aobut entitlements-

lets be specific-

name the entitlements YOU, TC, would eliminate.

School employee benefits? After all, paid for with other peoples tax money-

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman first off my job is not on the govt payroll. Secondly never stated I was against taxation in moderation or public schools. I am for choice though when it corms to schools.

So your all or nothing doesn't work. We have a lot of fat to cut that is for sure. We are spending too much of our GDP and cuts need to be made, Canada a few years back had to cut spending because their budgets of GDP where too high, what happened was not the poor going hungry it actually helped to strengthen their economies.

Get rid of the dept of education and allow states to deal with it in house. No need for such as the states have rewritten their own standards anyhow.

Cut rental assistance , make TSA airport screenings private and not run by the federal govt, make Amtrak private could be done cheaper no doubt. End job corps it is a joke we have one local and the success rate for these at risk kids is poor at best.

Cut earned income credit in half now and another 25 percent in 5-10 years. People getting back far,far more than they ever pay in no need.

Cut foreign aid by at least half, let us worry about our country first and foremost.

I could list more of the 2,300 subsidy programs we have in this country to date. This list just keeps getting bigger every decade. In the 1980's we had almost half as many of these subsidy programs. The more subsidies we have the more tax dollars we need .


We need a refresher course in the 10th amendment and go back to what it states, that way our economy can grow and prosper far better than adding more and more pork and creating new subsidies to keep people oppressed and looking to the federal govt for their needs.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman you also forget I grew up in a town per capita at one time had more unionized labor than most, why do you think the movie FIST was filmed in DBQ?

Look at the town today, hardly any unions left there, many of those companies that where Union are now gone out of business. Those that have remained have automated and reduced work force by 30-50 percent. These are facts. A computer or robot does not need benefits, never ask for large raises, and doesn't take time off paid.

Unions in many ways has killed the geese that laid the proverbial golden eggs. Look at Dubuque Pack gone, I worked there and never paid union dues, I had my reasons and was there when they went on strike what a joke that was.

John Deere employ's roughly 1/3 rd of what it did in the 70's and 80's yet they still remain as productive if not more than back then. I have 3 family members who all retired from there. I know what they get and got my uncle passed away 8 years ago. The end result is they could not compete in a global market with all of the demands by unionized work force, the union is a token of what it once was. In the early 80's they had a hard time ,they laid off lots of people another of my uncles one was one, it was not a lay off by work ethic but by time acquired, too bad my uncle never got recalled another way to get around the union, lay offs that where permanent. Flex steel furniture another company that used to employ 1,000's of people now today the only thing made in DBQ is van seats all furniture has been switched to their Mexico plant. My mother was the head nurse down there for 16 years, she was let go because the number of workers left at the DBQ plant dropped off so much they could not justify paying her. She also was never Union, would have made zero difference. She was one of a handful of RN nurses in the town that had OSHA certification. Highly sought out for large business as they needed OSHA certified RN's to keep the doors open. Federal laws you know. So she decided 10 years ago to just retire.

Eagle foods used to be Union until the late 80's their grocery cashiers where making 12-15 per hour their meat cutters 16-20 per hour then came in a business called Hy Vee no Union and eagles could not compete either could Randall's markets, HY Vee now has 4 stores in DBQ Eagles is down to 1 and Randall's went out many years ago. So much for the unions. My dad was a union man all of his life, if never amounted to a hill of beans as the work force was smaller 12-16 employees , he paid his dues and never amounted to much the union did for those dues, he know see's if he where to invest those dues into a IRA he would have been far,far ahead for sure.

The biggest union left in this country is our government, what does that tell you?