Major win for gun rights and gun owners in Missouri

[trappincoyotes39]

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For the second time Wednesday, Republicans turned to a parliamentary maneuver to kill a Democratic filibuster and force a vote on a bill, this time to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill eliminating training and permit requirements to carry a concealed gun in public.

The maneuver, known as “calling the previous question,” was once rarely used — only five times in the Senate from 1970 to 2001, when Republicans captured the majority. But it’s now been used five times since 2014, including three times this year.

After shutting down debate Wednesday, the Senate voted to override the governor’s veto on a 24-6 party line vote. The bill moved to the House, where it was quickly approved 112-41.

It becomes law in 30 days.

MAYOR SLY JAMES’ ‘DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID’ TWEET ANGERS MISSOURI’S GUN LOVERS

Previously, gun owners could carry a concealed weapon in public by passing a criminal background check and completing a gun safety training class in order to get a permit.

On the final day of the 2016 legislative session, lawmakers approved a bill eliminating those requirements and allowing someone to carry a concealed firearm in public without a permit.

Nixon vetoed the bill because he said it would allow “individuals to legally carry a concealed firearm even though they have been or would be denied a permit because their background check revealed criminal offenses or caused the sheriff to believe they posed a danger



Joining Nixon in opposing the bill were groups representing law enforcement officers around the state, such as the Missouri Police Chiefs Association, along with the state’s four Catholic bishops.

Proponents have argued that the change is about public safety. The legislation, according to the National Rifle Association, “seeks to expand the fundamental right to self-defense of Missourians and strengthen their ability to protect themselves and their families.”

Sen. Brian Munzlinger, a Republican from Lewis County who sponsored the bill, said it simply “will allow law abiding citizens to protect themselves from criminals.”

Rep. Kevin Engler, a Farmington Republican, said gun-control advocates have made dire predictions about every gun bill that the Missouri General Assembly has ever passed.

KC MAYOR, POLICE OFFICIALS URGE LEGISLATURE TO SUSTAIN NIXON’S GUN BILL VETO

“This bill will not do the crazy things that are being said,” he said.

Kansas City Democratic Sens. Kiki Curls and Jason Holsman railed against the bill, saying it will make streets in Kansas City and St. Louis less safe.

“We should be concerned about the safety of our law enforcement officers and our constituents,” Curls said.

The wide-ranging bill would also reduce the penalty for carrying a firearm into buildings where it is not allowed from a felony to a misdemeanor and implement a so-called “stand your ground” law that says people no longer have a duty to try to retreat before using lethal force if they think their life is in danger.

The bill would expand the castle doctrine to permit invited guests in a home to use deadly force on intruders. And for those who still want to get a concealed-carry permit, the bill creates a lifetime version that never expires.

Rep. Kim Gardner, a St. Louis Democrat, said the bill sets up a “perfect storm” where the legal standard for using deadly force is lowered and firearm training is eliminated.

Holsman said he considers himself pro-Second Amendment but still opposes the legislation.

“You can be both pro-gun and pro second amendment and still think this is a bad piece of legislation,” he said.

While he also has problems with the “stand your ground” provisions, he said, “if this bill didn’t get rid of the training, I probably wouldn’t be against it.”

[trappincoyotes39]

Gun rights alive and well in the state of Missouri , this was the 86 th time I believe Gov Nixon vetoed a bill and was over ridden by the state legislators!

A great piece of legislation that will keep people safer not less safe. Stats show the facts.

[PamIsMe]

"Stats show the facts..."

Exactly what stats are those? Where can I find them? How many states have concealed carry with no strings attached?

I think it's scary, back to the Wild Wild West again.

Pam

[trappnman]

no facts exist Pam- this is TC we are talking about

eliminating training and permit requirements to carry a concealed gun in public.

that scares me too.

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman why don't your start with South Dakota no training involved there either. You pay your 20.00 and get a background check and you have a conceal carry permit. Been that way for years. Show me the facts that South Dakota needs to add training because of all of the conceal carry issues going on there?

In Missouri if you want to go to another state you still have to get a permit, but not in state. Again a major win for guns rights!

No correlation between stricter gun laws and safer cities what so ever in the US.

We now can protect ourselves without a lengthy and expensive means of doing so! If you get a conceal carry permit for out of state and instate areas that will now be good for lifetime, again good for pro gun rights. You needed no permit in the state of Missouri for open carry anywhere that allows guns, so why have the need for one concealed?

Criminals never followed the laws anyhow. You think they care if they have a permit or not?

The republicans of the state have spoken and Nixon has been vetoed once again, just as they where predicting when he vetoed the Bill a few months back.

This passage is far more than just permit less conceal carry, it opens up stand your ground law and people not worrying as much about going to jail over a justified shooting. A big win in the state even though you have 2 large cities sitting with democrats that where trying to stop this bill.

Hoping to have a republican governor this fall in Missouri as well.

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These states are poised to allow people to carry hidden guns around without a permit

By Jeff Guo March 2, 2015

John Commerford, a state liaison with the NRA, left, and Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association, were in the audience as Kansas Senate Majority Leader Terry Bruce (R) spoke to the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee on Feb. 12. Bruce said the Second Amendment should remove obstacles to the legal carrying of a concealed firearm without a state license. (AP Photo/ Topeka Capital-Journal, Thad Allton)
This may be the year that several states will allow people to walk around in public with concealed guns — no permit required.

Gun rights advocates have had tremendous success in recent decades making it easier to obtain a concealed-carry permit. In most states, the process is now a fairly straightforward: Applicants typically have to pass a background check. Some states also ask that applicants take a gun safety class, and some may reject applications if there is evidence of mental illness.

A handful of states are far more permissive. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Wyoming and Vermont don’t require a permit at all for concealed carry in public. Vermont has never had such a requirement; Alaska went permit-free in 2003; Arizona in 2010; Wyoming in 2011 (limited to residents); and Arkansas in 2013.

These victories have been hard-wrung. “Even if a majority of the legislature or the governor might be in favor of concealed-carry laws, it’s generally agreed that having some sort of training or background check is really important,” said Brian Malte, the national policy director for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

But in 2014, Republicans took control of nearly a dozen state chambers, allowing permitless concealed-carry efforts to resurge in places like New Hampshire, West Virginia and Maine.The American public has recently been tilting toward gun rights; a Pew poll last month showed guns rights supporters pulling ahead of gun control supporters 52 to 46.

But Americans also want background checks, which permitless concealed-carry laws could do away with. A Quinnipac poll last year also showed that an overwhelming majority of voters, both Democrat and Republican, support background checks for all gun purchases. A similar majority would also bar people suffering from mental illness from purchasing guns.

Gun control advocates say that about 18 states are looking at permitless carry laws this year, depending on how you count. Here is a roundup of the more prominent bills:

New Hampshire

In 2014, Republicans took back the New Hampshire House and strengthened their control in the state Senate. Back in 2011 and 2012, when the GOP also held both houses, gun control measures failed because some Republicans found issues with the bills. Some also blame infighting between guns rights groups.

On Feb. 12, SB116/HB582 passed the Senate on a 14-9 party-line vote. The bill is due out of its House committee this week. Gov. Maggie Hassan (D) hasn’t said whether she would veto the bill —w hich matters, as the Republicans do not have a veto-proof majority in either chamber.


West Virginia

On Friday, permitless concealed-carry bill SB347 passed the West Virginia Senate and is in the hands of the House judiciary committee. Both West Virginia’s House and Senate flipped into GOP control after the 2014 elections.

Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin (D) seems supportive of gun rights. Last year, he signed a bill limiting the ability of municipalities to control how people buy guns or where they may carry them. Regardless of how he acts, the legislature would be able to override a veto.

Maine

In recent years, gun rights advocates have come extremely close to passing a permitless concealed-carry law. They failed in 2013 by one vote in the House; in 2014, their efforts failed again.

But this past election, Republicans took control of the Senate and added 10 seats in the House, which remains under Democratic control. Last week, state Sen. Eric Brakey (R) reintroduced the permitless concealed-carry legislation. Brakey claims that 96 lawmakers from both chambers stand with him.

Kansas

Last week, the Kansas Senate approved a permitless concealed-carry bill 31-7. It will likely sail through the House, which is also dominated by Republicans.

Some shooting instructors have spoken out against the bill, which would no longer require people to take gun safety lessons before being able to walk around in public with a concealed weapon.

Colorado

In Colorado, Republicans took control of the state Senate by a single seat this past election. Two weeks ago, the Senate passed a permitless concealed-carry bill that will face a tough time in the Democrat-led House.

Idaho

HB 89 was introduced Feb. 5 but has been sitting in committee. The Idaho Statesman has come out against the bill in an editorial: “We keep hearing from responsible gun owners and skeptics that not everybody should have guns, or be allowed to conceal them. So let’s drop the idea of HB 89 and trust our current system.”

It’s unclear if the bill will ever get out of committee, though not for lack of trying by gun-rights groups. Last week, Republican Rep. Tom Loertscher complained that activists were making harassing phone calls to him and other on the state affairs committee. “I would hope the people of this state recognize that this is not the way to win friends and influence people,” he said, according to the AP.

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Utah, Indiana, South Dakota

Concealed-carry measures have stalled in all of these states.


In Utah, Gov. Gary Herbert ( R) vetoed such a measure in 2013, citing the importance of background checks. A similar bill this year was tabled two weeks ago after Herbert asked the sponsor to hold it for now, according to the Park Record.

In Indiana, HB 1144 has been stuck in committee and it appears unlikely to get a hearing, according to the Kokomo Perspective.

[trappnman]

sorry- just can't bring myself to waste the time reading any of your copy and paste

[trappincoyotes39]

I know seeing the truth in print is hard at times, I have been there as well.

So the states like the newly passed legislation in Missouri are Alsaka, Wyoming, Vermont, Arizona, Arkansas and Vermont has never had a permit ever,what are or have been the issues in Vermont with conceal carry and people getting out of control? I have heard of little happening in any of these states.

What history has shown us is put people backs against the wall and they come out fighting, the pro gun movement is alive and well and will continue to be so.

Everyone stocking up in case ol' Hillary wins, if she does we have seen nothing yet when it comes to gun and ammuntion sales in this country. It will go super bonkers if she is elected.

[trappnman]

truth?

the truth is an elusive object for you.

as such, I read none of your links, none of your copy and paste. If I want those opinions, I'll get them myself, but I find alt right new sources to be a version of FAUX on steriods

wasn't President Obama going to take all your guns and ammo? isn't that why you are hoarding?

the sky is falling, the sky is falling!

the founding fathers had the right idea with the electorial college

[trappincoyotes39]

The facts are the facts when it comes to states and their laws on the issues of guns and concealment requirements or lack there of.

No Obama or Hillary will not come through the front door to take away guns and ammo as we have the 2nd amendment for that, they have tried and will try backdoor approaches to limit sales of guns and ammo and also make it harder for people to attain things covered under that 2nd amemendment right.

Just like the silly lawsuit Hillary was in favor of allowing gun companies to be held liable for violent crimes using their products . Even Bernie saw through that one and called a spade a spade. All that would have done is make the cost of ammo and guns go up by a lot and limit people from buying as much. Typical and easy to see backdoor approach to limiting legal product to the public.

The pro gunners have voiced their concerns with its record gun and ammo sales over the last 8 years.

[trappnman]

bullshit once again. the only big push to literally gut the 2nd amendment, was done under the GOP and President Bush

to say President Obama tried to destroy the 2nd, is yet another bald face lie posted by TC

you talk about liars- yet you post lie after lie after lie-

why not try the truth, just once?


"pro gunners" what a lovely term- bought ammo etc because of scare tactics, ones without foundation, were running rampant with guys like you leading the mob

[trappincoyotes39]

Tman the facts are in 2013 Obama tried to do away with AR rifles and magazines over the capacity of 10 that was HIS recommendation. Remember we had such under ol' Billy did nothing for crimes or violent crime and California has such a ban and has done nothing there either those are the facts.

If you think Bush was the anti gun guy then so be it, millions of others do not have your insight I guess?

Look who gets good ratings by the NRA and those who do not, then use that site I listed and look at the voting records of anti gun legislation and see who dominates in that category republlicans or democrats. Those are 100 percent factual votes cast by them all state to state .

Tman any American to this date has the right to buy as many guns and as much ammo or reloading supplies as they see fit, that is a freedom of ours as well.

Not to mention all state agame agencies can thank the pro gunners for spending billions and billions of dollars over the last 8 years as they have a massive bank roll,of,Pittman Roberston money that is if they can use it all by the deadline our federal govt has put into place.

Do you have an issue with those spending their money on guns and ammo and reloading supplies?

[trappnman]

yes, he wanted some restrictions.
that's hardly an effort to destroy the 2nd

no more than is crying fire in a crowed theatre destroying the 1st.

[trappincoyotes39]

yes he sure did and because of trying to restrict our rights as legal citizens he is not in my camp or that of millions of others who have catapulted the sales of guns to record highs in this country.

You do not see that adding each restriction gets you closer to loosing those rights and most of the left doesn't see that either. We add NO AR's , we add higher taxation on the products, we make it so gun manufactures can be sued for a gun used in a violent crime and all the rest the LEFT has tried over the years and the 2nd amendment would be a shell of what it is, that is wrong on this account and other freedoms.

Any thing the left has tried to out into place for the sake of lives has nothing to do with saving lives, just more gun legislation to limit the freedoms of legal American gun owners.

[trappnman]

close to 80% of the country, is left according to your criteria.

Time to move bro.

no, I don't believe in boogymen, and don't think common sense restrictions affect my rights.

You do.

all the right has done (sorry- not the right- but conspiracy theory "gunners" like you- is to spread bullshit with smoke and mirrors.

it must be hell living in such a black and white world- everything must piss you off

[trappincoyotes39]

The only place I would move is back to South Dakota a state that is and will be ultra conservative for many years to come. But outside of KC and St Louis the Republican Party is alive and well in Missouri.

No Reason to be pissed. At some point the light has to go on for millions of people or our debt will keep,rising and rising, and we will no longer be a nation of the free and inflation will eat us all alive. Our kids will never see SS or Medicare . We will not only be morally bankrupt but fiscally bankrupt as well.

[trappnman]

run- the sky is falling

[trappincoyotes39]

20 trillion of debt and rising, health care cost not contained as Obama claimed they would be, wages stagnant because of poor competition in the job sector.

Sky falling? Not yet but at some point this country will have to pay the piper, run away debt and talking more free to the tunes of billions and billions and another weak AG sector will not help middle income Americans.