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Post by bblwi on Sept 19, 2016 21:58:19 GMT -6
The Native Americans are in the news about this and a whole lot of whites are just tickled that they are fighting the fight they don't have the balls to fight. There are many that don't want a pipeline that close to a major water supply and flowage but they can set back and watch all of us bash the Indians. After the hype of this will come the discussions from the governments, agencies and environmental groups regarding this issue. Right now with $50 a barrel the price needed to breakeven many might say do we want to go through with this now when it may not be used soon or maybe much later or never.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2016 5:34:15 GMT -6
Bryce first of all this is nothing about the Indians this news artical was a slant period, any group of people trespassing onto private property and destroying such should be held and charged.
The rest needs to be looked into as far as their claims and if factual then a detour of the line should take place.
The idea of the pipeline is one that was given the go ahead by the federal govt in the first place, now it is has been X elated by the White House.The pipeline needs to get across the river so if you or anyone else has a better idea on how to do such bring it forward as you either go over or under the river. Not the first time this has been done.
If they did not think they could make money I doubt they would be building a 3 billion pipeline.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 20, 2016 6:54:10 GMT -6
and that the problem.
We are debating pipelines and routes-
so a post about 3 pipeline spills in a week, is very appropriate and a needed part of the discussion.
and your response- is you don't see the point.
I'm sure that's true-
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Post by bblwi on Sept 20, 2016 11:01:17 GMT -6
I am not the one that needs to make that decision nor should I. The stakeholders in ND are the ones that should make that choice. Concentrating on a few Native Americans trespassing may be your main concern but watching for the integrity of the water and watershed are real issues to many and the Native Americans have taken the lead in that matter and based on the fact that we placed them on land that has the fewest resources wanted by our culture they have the least to gain or lose by the pipeline yet they are willing to take the risk, which shows much more character than many of those that choose to have someone else carry their water for them.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2016 16:58:35 GMT -6
Bryce where was the water quality issues back when all of the leg work was being done? Where was the worry of water quality when the federal govt have them the OK to proceed? Where was the water quality issue prior to them breaking down fences and comming onto private property in an illegals manner? Where was the initial reports of water quality prior to them making a statement of the pipeline digging up remains?
Do you think this pipeline was planned and laid out in 12 months?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 20, 2016 17:00:27 GMT -6
Tman then are you saying we should have NO Pipelines that cross waterways above or below ground what so ever?
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Post by bblwi on Sept 21, 2016 8:17:56 GMT -6
Absolutely not in twelve months but quite obviously there are some aspects that have not been openly discussed so that all stakeholders are satisfied with the results and reports that they have been given. Most of these type of projects get approved because there is a great tendency to work to find ways to grow an economy. The funny part is that many who belittle government and want less or none don't see that it is typically the research done by government agencies that allows the development. Many private firms would not go through the process if they could not find support at many governmental levels. For the most part it is small non governmental organizations that mount the defense against these projects. so here is an example where these socialistic politicians are important players in the private sector development. There may be very valid reasons why many would feel the pipeline has considerable risk they are just unwilling to stand up. For the Native tribes what do they have to lose? They have been basically disenfranchised for centuries and we feed them some welfare and let them sell alcohol and tobacco tax free and hope they just shut up and stay put.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 22, 2016 5:23:00 GMT -6
Again this had to be years into the making, not the first pipeline to cross a water way. It is also known they where offered 10 million for crossing of their ground they wanted 50 million, so the route was altered.
The entire Indian reservation system and how it has been approached would be a much larger thread.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 22, 2016 6:45:46 GMT -6
TCs approach to Natives is the same as his feelings on Hispanics and Blacks
so not much surprise he takes that view on this thread as well.
TC, you see, loves having rights and the Constitution for protection- just not for anyone else.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 22, 2016 19:05:21 GMT -6
Oh Tman you jest LOL. What I see as a common thing is all,of those people of oppression have ALL done the same thing for 40 plus years and that is vote for democrats and in those 40 years NONE of those groups are any better off, any more ahead and still living by what the govt feeds them.
No denying such really. Self induced by those voting for the same party that does the same things . Class war fare and racial war fare are their keys tomwhat they call success , the problem is these groups are not seeing any of that success. Just the checks arriving in the mail and more of the same ol, same ol.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 23, 2016 6:30:13 GMT -6
I only wish I was jesting.
here is an example of your logic- a town mayor of a predominantly black city, has poverty and crime. and its her, and its the Democrats fault. Yet- in many if not most cases (most of the south) its GOP state houses, gov's, senators-
yet- its the black mayors fault.
No my friend, I am not jesting.
If you walk with racists, talk like racists, defend racists- you ain't no duck
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 23, 2016 18:57:58 GMT -6
Who is being racist now? You talk about the south east is that where all people of color are? I think not we are out of the plantation era Tman. We are talking, Chicago, Detroit, Minnieaplois, DC, Compton, And other areas besides the south Tman. We can turn there though New Orleans ran by a democrat , Boston high on poverty ran by democrat, Baltimore, Philadelphia and the list goes on. All ran by democrats.
We can't forget Milwaukee, WI either.
Same ol same ol still voting the same as things get no better and the montra is class war fare and race war fare.
All Indian reservations vote democrat unless you can find one that does not? I doubt it highly. Life is status quo.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 24, 2016 6:55:58 GMT -6
own it TC-
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 24, 2016 18:20:47 GMT -6
Own what exactly? That all major cities with colored Americans in poverty vote in a major way for democrats and have for 30 plus years and it has gotten them no better now than 30 years ago? Sure I will,own those words 100 percent.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 25, 2016 5:48:37 GMT -6
own you are a racist
if you want to be a white supremist, at least be proud about it,. Good God, it took months for you to own up to supporting Trump, you couldn't even say his name.
so- be proud of what you are- but don't deny it- your words are plain to see
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 25, 2016 7:48:38 GMT -6
Racist and white supremist? Yeh that's me. Because I disagree with your view point on subjects dealing with people of color ? I think not. Easy to throw around the words though happens every day. BLM is a joke, does not make me a racist . They are doing not one positive thing except more rioting and violence, most do not even live in these areas they come create chaos and onto the next injustice as seen in their minds. No facts to be heard or listened too, just more race war fare. Watch This young African American he must be racist too LMAO m.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5Lj_74u38
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Post by trappnman on Sept 25, 2016 11:35:45 GMT -6
no- not because you disagree.
because what you post on many issues, is, by any definition, racist.
even your last post- reread it and think about what you posted.
I need to remind you, I look at none of your links
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 25, 2016 16:06:06 GMT -6
Black lives matter is a joke millions of others would agree and state the same thing every day. Not racist, just seeing all of the BS that this org is throwing about is all. Just like Ferguson and all the BS that flew around durring riots and luting then the truth came out after a full,investigation.
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Post by bblwi on Sept 25, 2016 22:29:26 GMT -6
There are roughly 40 million black Americans today in the USA. There are more black Americans working then ever in this county. There are also more in poverty than there has been in a long time as well. With wages stagnant over the last 30 years to many sectors of the economy why would we not anticipate a lot of poverty in lower income workers and their families. Blacks have a long way to go yes they do but then being held as slaves for 250 years and then battling Jim Crowe and other laws for another 100 or so has a tendency to slow progress. I feel that in the last two generations or roughly 70 years Blacks have made progress both by their own efforts and the efforts of others. If they would have had 6-8 generations of freedom and equality the outcomes may be quite different than what we have today and to me they have preserved well and continue to move forward.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 26, 2016 5:43:27 GMT -6
Black lives matter is still a joke.
Yes I say they have come along ways too, seeing how we elected a man of color for the first time ever and he did 2 terms.
What is not needed is race bating and class war fare . Yet it will continue this we have little doubts on.
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