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Post by PamIsMe on Sept 1, 2016 1:10:26 GMT -6
Has short visit with President of Mexico in the afternoon - Mexicans protest his presence, seems they dislike Trump Trump goes to rally in AZ that night, says flat out they didn't discuss the Wall in Mexico but Mexico WILL pay for it President of Mexico calls Trump a liar and say he told Trump first thing, flat out, that Mexico would never pay for a wall www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/31/donald-trump-mexico-enrique-pena-nieto-immigration/89641690/But Hillary is the liar? Pam "Trump’s wall along the 1,989-mile border with Mexico would be hugely costly (estimates range anywhere from $5 billion to $25 billion) and only marginally effective. Start with the simple fact that roughly 40% of undocumented immigrants in the United States are people who overstay their visas, not people who sneak into the country. A wall wouldn’t affect them. Add to this the fact that 670 miles of wall and fencing has already been erected in recent years, with other stretches of the border covered by “virtual walls” of electronic monitors and patrols. Other parts of the border, moreover, have significant natural barriers, such as the Sonoran Desert."
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Post by redsnow on Sept 1, 2016 12:28:46 GMT -6
That's not what I read. Trump went into Mexico and pulled it off!
Made the headlines again today.
Noticed another sticker today, "Hillary for Prison". Trump will win. Also noticed where someone commented, Trump is our 2nd Reagan.
President Trump. Just as well get used to it!
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Post by musher on Sept 1, 2016 12:34:25 GMT -6
I was surprised he went to Mexico. I was more surprised he got out of Mexico without incident.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 1, 2016 18:12:11 GMT -6
Pam that account of the wall not being effective is 1000 percent bogus left propaganda. While I too think the wall will be a rough sale it would work and also cut down on a major portion of drugs brought into the country as well. Lots and lots of drugs cross at will along the boarder, much as I'd not more than illegals themselves.
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Post by PamIsMe on Sept 2, 2016 0:29:37 GMT -6
"That's not what I read. Trump went into Mexico and pulled it off!"
Pulled what off? How much plainer can the President of Mexico be? Mexico will not pay for a wall. Maybe Trump will threaten to stop having his shirts made in Mexico, that'll show them lol
Pam
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Post by PamIsMe on Sept 2, 2016 0:34:39 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 2, 2016 4:59:48 GMT -6
Stop it all? No stop a lot of it yes. That is a fact. Far to many miles to provide visual control but a wall and technology would certainly help. We have the technology and could use such if we decided to,put some money into it.
So much drugs cross that boarder not even funny. We are not talking weed, much,much more than that that is doing a lot of damage to our country. We will never stop it ALL but the wall would help again no one can deny such except those that do not want the wall.
Again a wall with new technology could dampen both illegals and drugs, to state they do not cross with either daily is living in a fantasy world.
Funny that story is out of the U.K. And not the US news?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 2, 2016 6:40:07 GMT -6
net immigration from mexico is negative.
Trump lied once again in Mexico- he knows it, we know it, the world knows it. Like many bullies, he is a big talker but when he has a chance to confront, stands there like a whipped puppy dog.
4 of his infamous Hispanic advisory board quit yesterday in disgust. His outreach is sure getting the vote, from guys like TC King of Rumors (who if you recall, didn't have the cajones to actually back Trump, until the bandwagon got bigger) but that's as far as it goes.
whats funny about a news story published in the UK? does that lessen its validity? in other words- can you disprove it?
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Post by PamIsMe on Sept 3, 2016 0:22:13 GMT -6
"Stop it all? No stop a lot of it yes.."
40% are people who overstay their visas, so I hardly think at a cost of 5-10 billion dollars a wall would be worth it. And where is that money coming from since it's not Mexico, who couldn't afford it anymore than the US can?
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 3, 2016 7:11:22 GMT -6
Tman you do not give the entire facts on your statement, you forgot to mention that is for a 3 year period. Not the norm over the last 20-30 years, then those numbers change. So yes there is a 3 year period where your statement is correct but take those numbers out over 20-30 years and then it becomes false and a misleading statement.
Pam those 40 percent should be found and shipped back, along with a wall you would have much more control again you can argue the point but the fact remains a wall would help on many fronts. It should have been built many,many years ago. Again with this economy will be a tough sell. Still though does not take away the effects it could have and stop a lot of the free crossing taking place.
Charge a entry and exit fee that would add up over a year I would think. 13 million Americans each year cross. Plus how many Mexican people cross each year?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 3, 2016 8:38:08 GMT -6
so the last 3 years, I'm correct- yet, Trump is speaking in present day with his nonsense.
so according to you- we are still fighting WW2- sure, it happened in the past but......
yes- I will argue the point about the silliness and the symbolism of the wall.
say- I know Trump never has- but have you ever read what is on statue of liberty?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 3, 2016 8:38:37 GMT -6
entry/ exit fee- and you as someone wanting less taxes and small govt- what a stone cold hypocrite you are!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 3, 2016 10:42:26 GMT -6
Tman that would make govt smaller and reduce the tax liability.
Say have you ever read what the 2nd amendment says as well?
Keeping our boarders safe and not allowing dangerous people in this country is not against the constitution last time I checked.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 4, 2016 6:08:44 GMT -6
yes, I majored in Constitutional Law.
Border is the safest its ever been over past 8 years
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Post by James on Sept 4, 2016 12:37:33 GMT -6
So I guess TC is in favor of paying more taxes to build this wall. The idea that Mexico will somehow be coerced into paying for it is too ridiculous for words.
Jim
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 5, 2016 7:15:06 GMT -6
Tman what ever. You majored in law? Have you ever practiced such? Have you ever lived in Texas,New Mexico or the such along the boarder? I know some people who live down there and they have stated and been told by their supervisors if you see a group of people crossing to not confront them and go the other way.
If you think for a second that drugs infiltrating our country are not comming across from Mexico daily well I have a few bridges to sell you. The taxing nature of our prison systems and illegals and all the money it entails Imwonder what that adds up to each year?
James again as I stated the wall could be a tough sale, it could be done, not with higher taxes on us but higher taxes on IN comming product from Mexico, along with trade agreements with Mexico and other avenues to explore. Even if you do it in stretches over time your still cutting down as the area to cross gets smaller and smaller more like a funnel than a sieve.
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Post by trappnman on Sept 5, 2016 8:56:57 GMT -6
yes, I know- no matter what the issue, no matter what the policy- you have a "friend" who is an expert.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 5, 2016 16:43:15 GMT -6
The only expert is them living in the area which has more weight than you or I when it comes what happens down on the boarder. Why? Because we do not spend time down there day in and out seeing what unfolds each day, others do and the majority do not like it.
Again tell me drugs do not cross in large numbers, tell me boarder patrol agents do not get burned out and leave the area because of the policies set fourth, tell me illegals are not crossing every day of the year. It all takes place and we can reduce that by a large margin with a wall. It really is that simple, again of it takes time so be it funnel them down and illegal entry of all of it gets reduced. Instead we want to cry racisim and the wall won't help. We all know it would, now the question is why do you not want a wall? For those against the wall being built why not?
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Post by trappnman on Sept 5, 2016 17:14:42 GMT -6
its spelled border
why not?
We are better than that- plus, net immigration from Mexico, is a negative.
if you think a wall will stop any illegal drugs- you are wrong. and actually if you think the "war on drugs" has done anything but make a few people in MO sleep better, you are wrong again.
want to stop drug trade? do it the same way we stopped speakeasys
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Sept 5, 2016 19:16:37 GMT -6
So that is it we are a better nation? We are better to allow illegal immigrants into our country in a daily basis? To allow drugs to continue to flow across our boarder because we are a better nation in doing so?
Again you net loss is only a short period in time, we have many illegals here now and more will come to think otherwise is not correct. We all know it.
Then your idea would be to allow and open and free boarder? We need a Passport to enter Canada for crying out loud, we cannot have a DUI or we are not allowed in Canada yet the answer with Mexcio is to just allow an open boarder for any and all to cross at will?
A wall would help with drugs and people, we have the technology for sure.
So your answer then is to allow meth, and heroin and other drugs to enter across the border?
The Obama administration keeps reassuring Americans that the southern border is secure yet the overwhelming majority of illegal drugs in the United States come from Mexico and Mexican traffickers remain the greatest criminal threat to the United States.
This is nothing new and has been well documented for years in a variety of government audits, but the latest report, released this month by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), comes as the administration insists the Mexican border is secure. How secure could it possibly be when Mexican cartels—classified as Transitional Criminal Organizations (TCOs) by the government—have for years smuggled in enormous quantities of heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana? In fact, the DEA’s 2015 National Drug Threat Assessment reveals that Mexican cartels are in a class of their own, that “no other group can challenge them in the near term.”
They’re sophisticated operations that have been smuggling huge amounts of illicit drugs into the U.S. for some time. “These Mexican poly-drug organizations traffic heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and marijuana throughout the United States, using established transportation routes and distribution networks,” the DEA report states. “They control drug trafficking across the Southwest Border and are moving to expand their share of US illicit drug markets, particularly heroin markets. National-level gangs and neighborhood gangs continue to form relationships with Mexican TCOs to increase profits for the gangs through drug distribution and transportation, for the enforcement of drug payments, and for protection of drug transportation corridors from use by rival gangs.”
These enterprises have spread throughout the nation in major cities such as Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles and Philadelphia, according to the feds. Los Angeles is a key strategic hub to facilitate the movement of drugs north and west, according to the DEA report, and the city is also used for the “subsequent smuggling of drug proceeds in the form of bulk cash back to Mexico.” Boston is receiving cocaine directly from Mexican organizations based in Border States, the report says, and Mexican organizations dominate the wholesale distribution of cocaine, methamphetamine, Mexico-produced marijuana, and heroin.
It gets better; major Mexican cartels are actually operating in the United States, the DEA confirms, offering specific names in the report. They include the Beltran-Leyva Organization (BLO), New Generation Jalisco Cartel (Cartel de Jalisco Nueva Generación or CJNG) the Los Cuinis, Gulf Cartel (Cartel del Golfo or CDG), Juarez Cartel, Michoacán Family (La Familia Michoacána or LFM), Knights Templar (Los Caballeros Templarios or LCT), Los Zetas, and the renowned Sinaloa Cartel. This certainly seems to indicate that the southern border is extremely vulnerable.
It appears that this will not change in the near future. The DEA, which functions under the Department of Justice (DOJ), predicts that “Mexican TCOs will continue to dominate the trafficking of heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and marijuana throughout the United States.” Here’s why: “There are no other organizations at this time with the infrastructure and power to challenge Mexican TCOs for control of the US drug market,” the DEA claims. “Mexican TCOs will continue to serve primarily as wholesale suppliers of drugs to the United States to distance themselves from US law enforcement. Mexican TCOs will continue to rely on US-based gangs to distribute drugs at the retail level.”
Mexican drug cartels have long benefitted from our susceptible southern border and the situation is more serious than ever because traffickers have joined forces with Middle Eastern terrorists to enter the U.S. Earlier this year Judicial Watch broke a story detailing how smugglers (“coyotes”) working for the Juárez Cartel help move ISIS terrorists through the desert and across the border between Santa Teresa and Sunland Park, New Mexico. To the east of El Paso and Ciudad Juárez, cartel-backed “coyotes” also smuggle ISIS terrorists through the porous border between Acala and Fort Hancock, Texas. JW’s high-level government sources say these specific areas were targeted for exploitation by ISIS because of their understaffed municipal and county police forces and the relative safe-havens the areas provide for the unchecked large-scale drug smuggling that was already ongoing.
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