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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2016 8:50:04 GMT -6
Pam- one of Cruz's team twittered: "what do you expect from the son of a man whose dad killed JFK?"
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Post by redsnow on Jul 21, 2016 12:51:48 GMT -6
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2016 13:34:09 GMT -6
he thought Romney would win easily as well
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Post by redsnow on Jul 21, 2016 14:43:04 GMT -6
Hmmm, I don't remember.
If you look at the map of states that Romney won 4 years ago, more than likely Trump will win all of those states. To the best of my knowledge, Obama hasn't done anything in any of those states, to sway the vote. If anything, he's swayed the vote more towards the GOP.
Brian (Musher), the man from Canada, has a very good grasp of our political situation! The American people are so tired, so VERY TIRED, of the same old crap out of DC. We've had all we can stand!
Hillary Clinton offers more of the same!
I guess I'm part of the silent majority, but we're going to vote, and we don't like the direction our country is headed!
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Post by PamIsMe on Jul 21, 2016 23:45:12 GMT -6
Jeeze if I believed for a minute that Trump could actually do even 1/4 of everything he says he will do, and RIGHT AWAY, I'd consider voting for him. lol I truly believe his ego is so large that he thinks he's omnipotent and would have no one to answer to if he became President.
Imagine if he started in on making demands from China on trade agreements and money management. If you think the fur market is down now, it would be completely gone.
Is life in America really as bad as the Repubs would like us to believe? Do you truly fear for your life? I for one, am happy to be living here.
Pam
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Post by PamIsMe on Jul 21, 2016 23:49:26 GMT -6
"If you get right down to it, folks are tired of the "system." We want change! We're tired of the same old crap outta DC. "
Well then, let's vote out some of the Repubs in House and Senate and get some new blood. They're the ones who have done nothing the past 7 years.
Pam
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Post by PamIsMe on Jul 21, 2016 23:57:04 GMT -6
"I agree that you need a president with a full grasp .... of what the American people want and of what they are tired of. Unfortunately, you only have the choice between two people and neither seem to be the one for the job."
Musher, the American people had choices and they voted to pick these two candidates themselves. They must have thought their own candidate is the one for the job. Now they just have to decide which one they want for President. Unfortunately with our screwy system the one with the most popular votes doesn't always win:-(
Cheers, Pam
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Post by trappnman on Jul 22, 2016 6:25:33 GMT -6
I'll give Cruz credit- I actually admired the man for standing for principles.
As he said "I'm not in the habit of supporting someone that insults my wife and father"
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the economy- pretty much every respected economic forecast has nothing but negatives to say on Trumps economic plans
from Moody's:
"The lowering of the tax rate: Without the tax revenue, Zandi expects the deficit to expand to more than $9 trillion over the next 10 years. This would lead to the curtailing of investment from the public sector in economically beneficial programs. This would also affect households. "Businesses' cost of capital and households' borrowing costs are much higher, despite the lower marginal rates, which act as a corrosive on investment and ultimately on productivity and GDP growth," the report said. 2. The deportation of immigrants living in the US illegally: This would act as a "supply shock" for the labor market, pushing up labor costs, crushing corporate margins, and force businesses to raise prices dramatically. "The tight job market and higher inflation prompts the Federal Reserve to normalize interest rates quickly, and then to push rates above their long-run equilibrium," the Moody's report read. 3. Higher tariffs on foreign trade: This will make the cost of goods increase as imports from goods producers such as Mexico and Chine increase, with Trump's skepticism on trade also affecting US exports. "The hit to U.S. exports from the higher Chinese and Mexican tariffs and stronger U.S. dollar is significant," the report said. "At the peak of the impact in 2019, U.S. real exports are reduced by nearly $85 billion, according the Moody's Analytics model."
and his policy overseas- withdraw from NATO- or remain, but only help a country if their bill is paid
give other countries nukes
shock down both sides of the table on that one
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wages? His words "American workers getting paid too much" and Trump gets most of his products made in Mexico or China....................
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Post by musher on Jul 22, 2016 7:00:02 GMT -6
"I agree that you need a president with a full grasp .... of what the American people want and of what they are tired of. Unfortunately, you only have the choice between two people and neither seem to be the one for the job." Musher, the American people had choices and they voted to pick these two candidates themselves. They must have thought their own candidate is the one for the job. Now they just have to decide which one they want for President. Unfortunately with our screwy system the one with the most popular votes doesn't always win:-( Cheers, Pam I'm not certain that it is the "people" that chose the two candidates. Money seems to do a lot of the picking. It also seems that Trump is the choice of the "people." Due to his own fortune, even though he screwed a lot of people to amass it, he owes nothing to no one. Or so it seems. The Canadian system does not work with the most votes, either. We don't even get a chance to vote for the Prime Minister unless he represents you in your riding (electoral district). I respect what Cruz did, also. Do you think that Trump's wife's speech was just a distraction to avoid any news on what the republicans were really talking about at their convention? If so, it seems to have worked.
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Post by redsnow on Jul 22, 2016 8:51:16 GMT -6
Politics is a dirty game! The little man always gets the shaft!
Pam mentioned this above, and I agree, we need to clean house in DC. We need term limits. After a person serves 1 or 2 terms, kick them out! Get some new blood, that's the way I feel about all of our elections from our local town elections, county, state, right on up.
Another thing that peeves me, a while back part of our government voted for a pay raise, for themselves. Think that's fair? I'd have liked to seen that vote go up to the public. And serve 1 term, and receive that same salary for life.
The silent majority would like to start out with a clean slate, kick them all out, and start over. We need to shake up DC.
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Post by bblwi on Jul 22, 2016 12:56:19 GMT -6
Interesting to see and hear the crowd applaud protecting the gay rights and assemblies. Wow equal rights for all is something the RNC and GOP may have to accept. With all those promises if Trump does win there will be more government in the face of the average American then in our history with the exception of WW 11 and the rationing that was involved with that.
I can understand the change and need and desire for change but I don't follow the line of thought that our nation is in it's worst place ever. That dark philosophy needs to have fear and hate as its base to succeed and I just don't want or need to buy into that narrow of a window of our nation.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Jul 23, 2016 0:37:44 GMT -6
"..And serve 1 term, and receive that same salary for life. " That's a myth that conservatives/GOP like to keep passing around. It simply isn't true though. Only Senators (6 year terms)are eligible for a retirement check after one term, and it isn't their full salary. In the House, a rep who serves only one term (2 years) isn't eligible for any pension. "Congressional pensions, like those of other federal employees,are financed through a combination of employee and employer contributions. All Members pay Social Security payroll taxes equal to 6.2% of the Social Security taxable wage base ($118,500 in 2015). Members first covered by FERS prior to 2013 also pay 1.3% of full salary to the Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund (CSRDF). Members of Congress first covered by FERS in 2013 contribute 3.1% of pay to the CSRDF. Members of Congress first covered by FERS after 2013 contribute 4.4% of pay to the CSRDF. In 2014, Members covered by CSRS Offset pay 1.8% of the first $118,500 of salary, and 8.0% of salary above this amount, into the CSRDF. Under both CSRS and FERS, Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at the age of 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary. By law, the starting amount of a Member’s retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary. " www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs-publish.cfm?pid=%270E%2C*PLC8%22%40%20%20%0A"A three-term congressman (or one-term senator) who has now reached retirement age would be eligible for an annual pension of $17,588 for six years of work. That's generous, but not close to full pay. Federal law prevents members of Congress from getting full-pay retirement when they leave office. The report says, "By law, the starting amount of a member's retirement annuity may not exceed 80 percent of his or her final salary."
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Post by PamIsMe on Jul 23, 2016 0:56:04 GMT -6
I watched the speech Trump gave today in Cleveland. At first He was gracious in thanking everyone (even naming some names) but then went on to rant for 10 minutes about Cruz and how he absolutely didn't say Cruz's father was involved in Kennedy's assassination, but humbly alluded to the fact that he may have mentioned the article in that paragon of truthful news, "The National Inquirer" that seemingly showed Cruz's father sitting with Lee Harvey Oswald in a cafe. He also said that he was sure Cruz would eventually endorse him or his career is over, but that when he does, he won't accept it.
The rest of the speech was all bragging about himself, how rich he is, and how the Trump name is gold around the world. He talked about how the regular stations even held their 10 o'clock news, which according to him, they never ever do, because his speech went so long. He explained the length by saying his speech was a normal length but the continual applause to everything he said was what extended it, as people were really into what he had to say. Poor Pence just stood off to the side looking like a dork. I couldn't help but wonder if he was thinking "What in #ell have I gotten myself into."
Cheers, Pam
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Post by redsnow on Jul 24, 2016 11:30:31 GMT -6
Hmmm, looks like a little dirt coming out on Hillary and her VP pick before the DNC.
Seems like the Democratic convention will be a circus too.
The way I figure it, if 70% of Americans feel our country is headed down the wrong path, Trump will win BIG!
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Post by bblwi on Jul 24, 2016 12:22:33 GMT -6
I guess that is the hope of the Trump supporters that Hilary's baggage is too much and that will occupy the stage. What that situation does not change however is that Trump is an extremely poor leadership person for the free world. He is basically declaring war on all of our major trading partners, most of which other than China are western developed nations that are Christian based. I don't feel that will make foreign policy a productive aspect for us and with foreign trade a major needed growth aspect for our economy that may well make domestic policy and or issues problematic at the least. I know we have a significant trade deficit as being involved in agriculture all my life Ag was an area that helped take a couple hundred billion off the trade deficit. I don't know how Trump figures to have other nations make us rich when they don't have the wealth to pay us those funds and those that do will dangle the OPEC card in our face and we will know what $4 gas can do to the USA.
Bryce
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Post by redsnow on Jul 24, 2016 13:21:40 GMT -6
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Post by bblwi on Jul 24, 2016 15:29:34 GMT -6
So your saying a person should vote for a family member if you don't agree with the principles of the party? One vote is not going to be the difference in this election. I think the recent Dem fallout with e-mail leaks regarding their DNC and Sanders will hurt them more than whatever Trump feels he can offer.
Bryce
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Post by redsnow on Jul 24, 2016 17:58:56 GMT -6
Gee Whiz, that's not what I said at all.
Just pointing out that the Obama Machine isn't what it was 8 years ago. And the "Clinton Machine" is very close behind. Folks are tired!
It also brings out the point that when Trump's folks see a reason to pounce on Clinton, they will in a heartbeat!
It was probably on page 1. of this thread, where I said "Trump is a smart man." (Pam disagreed with me.) Hide and watch.
If the Democrats are spending cash 40:1 compared to Trump, it's not working according to the polls.
We need change!
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Post by musher on Jul 24, 2016 18:20:09 GMT -6
If Trump wants to win, he'll have to tone down the arrogance, do his homework with regards to the rest of the world, and stop scaring people. Many voters are uncomfortable with his antics.
I don't know if he has the personality to do that.
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Post by redsnow on Jul 24, 2016 19:07:18 GMT -6
A while back, I watched a video about/with Trump, he can talk. I agree he needs to calm down, take things point by point. He can do that. He's not just loud and someone with a big head, but he's in it to win, and help America.
He has a plan, and when 70% of Americans feel we're going down the wrong road now, I'm willing to give him a chance.
Hillary has had her time in the spotlight, we've given her a fair shot, and she failed!
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