Hispanics To Change The Future Of US Food Culture

[FWS]

Actually FWS the Indians where making those things long before California even was named.........,..,

I'm pretty familiar with the history of such things..............

But that doesn't provide you with an escape from the fact you are eating foods that were developed and produced in California.

I consider parts meat and other parts junk

It's ALL meat, you just think that only skeletal muscle qualifies as meat, tissues, fats, and offal are all meat.

natural casing is one thing eating an entire poop shoot tube? nope

Take not of which layer the sub-mucosa is, which as I pointed out is what natural sausage casings are..........



So the layer you're worried about IS the 'poop shoot' that you're already eating as natural sausage casing, minus the muscle fibers and fats.

so not too concerned with mimicing their eating habits....

Why not ? Organ meats are some of the most nutrient rich foods you can eat, they qualify as superfoods really, and are quite tasty when prepared correctly and are of good quality. If you look at tradition cultures, including those in the US, and your ancestors, they all used the edible parts of the entire animal. Skeletal muscle, bones, blood, brains, fats...........

It's interesting to see the snobbery against eating such things by contemporary Americans because it is symptomatic of what has happened to our culture as a whole with the increasing 'urban civilized' mindset.

Back in the day, the whole family, and community, would gather for a hog butchering, and they'd eat everything but the oink. But now that is apparently frowned upon by you 'civilized' sophisticates.

We'd be a lot better off as a society if we still celebrated and took part in the boucherie..........................

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS produced in California? The wraps I buy are produced in Michigan . So much for that thought.

The rest is well more than I care about either meat or gut sack to me.

yes organ meat in moderation has many good things for you, but a weekly diet of organ meat can be counter productive. Love liver and onions deer liver the best by far, but only on moderation same with my aunts pickled deer heart. Plenty of protein sources out there and peanut butter Whiel have protein also has omega 3 also good for you, well at least for now

I eat a lot of turkey and chicken and catfish each week. Frog legs, pancakes, bacon,eggs cage free farm fresh . I have a supply of eggs real close and priced right. lots of honey local grown and also some I get from a good friend in SD. Things I like I eat no need to scan the globe looking for other things. I will leav that to you. had sweet bread not a fan way too chewy

[trappincoyotes39]

Many of today's sausages are done in collagen which comes from the skin of cattle as well. In fact unless labeled natural casing much of it is artifical due to cost of production.

If you want to see mass scale family style butchering go to a Hutterite colony and see how they do up beef,pork,chickens and turkeys to feed 100's of people. Everyone has a job and very little waste either. They can do it quick as they have done it for many,many years and their cold storage is amazing the walk in freezers and colleges they have on the colonies is really something. Also their baking areas are much like you would find in a commercially run bakery.

There wine rooms and how much they produce. As well. Their wine is so so the best I have had and there Christmas time smoked turkeys are beyond compare. They make everything from scratch. You should really try and visit a colony you would be amazed.

[FWS]

FWS produced in California? The wraps I buy are produced in Michigan

Oh too bad, they'd be higher quality if they were produced in CA.

Many of today's sausages are done in collagen which comes from the skin of cattle as well.

I buy those with natural casings and buy the casings themselves for making my own sausage.

Plenty of protein sources out there

In my region, far fewer in yours.

If you want to see mass scale family style butchering

Seen it, been a part of it, done it myself.

[FWS]

no need to scan the globe looking for other things.

Why not ? Other than the fact you don't produce much, but even what you do produce can benefit from learning new ways to prepare or preserve it.

I always figured the more you enjoy eating wild game, fish, and shellfish the more you'll want to hunt and fish.

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS we have nothing to hunt or fish anyhow according to you So why explore new things?

nothing comes from the Midwest nothin but taters and casserole right


Shoot you got the world by the tail out there in California while the rest of us just chase our tails around

[FWS]

FWS we have nothing to hunt or fish anyhow according to you

Never said that, only that you have fewer opportunities overall in MO. You have plenty of white-tails and squirrels, but no bears, feral hogs, very little upland bird hunting, and your waterfowling isn't as good as CA's. And you have a Hell of a lot less fishing and species to fish for in general. Not much public land either.

nothing comes from the Midwest nothin but taters and casserole right

Actually those are the things you defended, but then admitted that corn/soy have pushed out the potato growers. I gave your region a fair shot years ago while looking for regional foods, recipes, etc., but that was pretty scarce.

Seems like looking outside your region for new and different things to do with foods is a good concept.

Shoot you got the world by the tail out there in California while the rest of us just chase our tails around

Well that's how you try to spin it anyways............

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS yes there are both bears and feral hogs in the state of Missouri. When was the last time you came here ?

Not a big waterfowl hunter but both SD and MO offer excellent waterfowl hunting. The Missouri confluence area is listed on DU's best 15 place to hunt waterfowl along with the Dakota's. The confluence has over 200 Duck clubs so can't be too bad I wouldn't think? Again waterfowl not a big deal to ME.

facts are facts farmers will plant what makes them money and corn and beans have become King due to genetics and yields and price for now. No chasing taters from the river bottoms except profits.

The Midwest is pretty large region and I am just one man


Besides the Midwest offers excellent opportunities for foothold trapping

[FWS]

yes there are both bears and feral hogs in the state of Missouri.

There is no bear hunting in MO (or SD) and the feral hogs are a target for eradication with hunting discouraged because it disrupts the eradication efforts.

You've taken neither in MO, I take both species in CA.

but both SD and MO offer excellent waterfowl hunting.

It's OK, but just looking at recent waterfowl harvest reports put out by the Feds the seasonal duck harvest per hunter in MO was 11, in SD it was 11, in CA it was 31.

So yes, it's better in CA.

And your quail population is not doing well, and not much else there for upland birds.

Again waterfowl not a big deal to ME.

That's why you don't know any better.......................

The Midwest is pretty large region and I am just one man

CA is a large region with much of it being rural lands and much of that public, go West and there is a huge wilderness known as the Pacific Ocean. Keeps a guy busy.

Besides the Midwest offers excellent opportunities for foothold trapping

With intense competition and mostly private lands. I really only have interest in bobcats and gray fox anyways. Coyotes were unwanted bycatch.

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS hunting for hogs is not discouraged as you need no license for such and can be shot all year round? They do not want them due to damage caused simple really.

You said MO had no bears or feral hogs, there are both and if bears keep doing what they are doing at least southern Missouri will have a bear season at some point. They will need to.

Harvest per hunter only shows intent to hunt not really quality or quantity of any species. Plenty of hardcore waterfowl hunters in SD that harvest far more than 11 but upland game pheasants is the king has been and always will be. Geese count as waterfowl correct? Goose hunting is big time in the Midwest.

Intense competition for trapping ? You serious ? I have little problems getting grounds to trap on and we have both greys and a very robust bobcat population as well as many coyotes . South Dakota if your a coyote trapper you are most welcome to most any other critter you want to trap, except for when cats get high dollar some guys will tell you NO, but not the norm. Lots of access can be had in Western SD by contacting just a handful of landowners due to large land tracts owned.

[FWS]

FWS hunting for hogs is not discouraged as you need no license for such and can be shot all year round? They do not want them due to damage caused simple really.

Wrong, they do not want them to get started at all and discourage hunting because that may encourage the further transplant of feral hogs.

When asked where to hunt feral hogs in Missouri, Conservation Agent Brad Hadley has a standard response.

"I will simply answer, 'If you want to hunt feral hogs go to another state," Hadley said

You said MO had no bears or feral hogs,

Sounds like backpeddling to me.....................

It's simple really................ You have no bear hunting.

Harvest per hunter only shows intent to hunt not really quality or quantity of any species.

No, the data is from the Harvest Information Program , the HIP stamp, and is collected AFTER the seasons end, we get forms to fill out specific to the number and species we took.

Plenty of hardcore waterfowl hunters in SD that harvest far more than 11

There are more in CA............

[trappincoyotes39]

Although the Conservation Department discourages hunting specifically for feral hogs in Missouri, hunters afield for other game should shoot feral hogs on sight.
No permit is needed to kill feral hogs except during deer and turkey seasons. See the annual deer and turkey hunting regulations booklets for details

FWS it is stated right in the website link your provided HIP information is not used as harvest estimate data but only the species hunted

Trying to eradicate feral hogs is a noble idea but one I think they will loose and then the promotion of hunting them will have to be a part of it. The dept knows what will happen if hogs in the state reach numbers much more larger and I know people in southern Mo that are seeing more of them not less all the time. While discouraged it is not illegal to hunt hogs. I would be amazed if the eradication program works due to topography and other factors at play.

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS go along the buffalo river not too far into Arkansas and one will find ample feral big sign, lots of them in that area I hiked and saw tons of sign, the problem being those hogs don't know the boundary line between Arkansas and Missouri Migration happens all the time. No rough winters to limit travel and no real natural predators to control them to any degree. Acorns galore most years makes for fat and happy hogs.

[FWS]

Although the Conservation Department discourages hunting specifically for feral hogs in Missouri,

Just as I pointed out to you. And as such there really is no hunting of feral hogs in MO.

Trying to eradicate feral hogs is a noble idea but one I think they will loose and then the promotion of hunting them will have to be a part of it.

We've discussed feral hogs here many times, including in MO, and some were very upset that they couldn't go to TX or elsewhere in the South to live capture feral hogs and transport them across state lines for sale to hunting operations. If eradication efforts fail the illegal transport and release of feral hogs by those wanting to hunt them or charge others to hunt them will have been a factor in that.

FWS it is stated right in the website link your provided HIP information is not used as harvest estimate data but only the species hunted

Here ya' go,

Since the 1952-53 hunting season, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) has conducted a survey of Federal Duck Stamp purchasers to es
timate waterfowl hunter activity and harvest in the United States. That survey was conducted annually through the 2001-02 hunting season,
after which it was replaced by a new migratory game bird harvest survey system. In 1992, the FWS and State Fish and Wildlife Agencies (States) established the Migratory Bird Harvest Information Program (HIP), which was fully ope rational nationwide by 1999 (Elden et al. 2002).
This cooperative State-Federal program requires licensed migratory game bird hunters to register annually in each state in which
they hunt. Each State is responsible for collecting the name, address, and date of birth from each migratory
bird hunter, asking each of them a series of general screening questions about their his/her hunting success the previous year, and sending all
of this information to the FWS. The States are also responsible for providing the migratory bird hunters with proof of compliance to carry while
they are hunting. The FWS is responsible for using these data to conduct annual national migratory game bird hunter activity and harvest
surveys.

The report issued does indeed provide harvest data by species on a state by state basis. Hence the numbers I provided.

Migratory Bird Hunting Activity and Harvest for the 2011-12 and 2012-13 Hunting Seasons

The Seasonal Duck Harvest Per Hunter numbers for 2011-12 and 2012-13 for MO were,16.7 and 12.6, for SD 14.1 and 14.9 and for CA were 30.3 and 30.6, a slight improvement for MO and SD because of increased duck numbers but still only about half of CA's.

CA's harvest is consistently higher year after year in these reports. But you don't hunt waterfowl, so you really wouldn't know any better.

You can go on believing what you want but it's not based on any real experience or data.

[trappincoyotes39]

FWS hog hunting in Misspuri is NOT illegal discouraged and no open season two FAR different things, if you see a hog they want YOU to shoot it. What they do not want is people either stocking them or allowing them to prosper on property for a financial gain later, these they feel are methods that will rapidly increase feral hogs numbers in the state, their problem being eradication of such a species is not realistic. So your claim their is NO hog hunting in Missouri is false just by looking at wordage used and what the law allows one to do that is to shoot hogs on sight! Their numbers will continue to increase that is my opinion and of those I know that live down in southern Missouri who have shot feral hogs there.

The rest is well just the data. The more hunters the more harvest one should have, also varying species of ducks and laws that pertain to them in different regions have an effect on harvest as well. Not to mention likes and dislikes of certain species by certain hunters effect harvest numbers. Those numbers do not relate to quality of hunt or waterfowl seen. here goose hunting has become far more popular than ducks for what ever reason I would suspect large numbers along the fly way not hurting one but and very liberal rules and regs really helping to add to goose hunting.

I was at Cabelas yesterday two things people where buying in that area dove decoys opens very soon here and goose calls and decoys.

[trappincoyotes39]

Waterfowl species and harvest limits are way too diverse to state that your area offers better overall waterfowl hunting than another, season dates, harvest, species in that fly way and other factors all play into it. Just not that easy to say you have better overall waterfowl hunting than the rest of the country. In your opinion sure, but that would be only an opinion or estimate.

You Seem to have lots of mallards in the Sacramento valley area, but when people talk mallard hunting Stuttgart, Arkansas is what people mention the most.



In fact go to South Dakota and see how receptive landowners are to goose hunters these days as their numbers increase the damage caused to their crops gets higher every spring, the GFP has seen a dramatic rise in goose depredation work in the last 8 years by a large number. So goose hunters find easier access and that creates more interest and more harvest. Also goose hunting is a decent sized business in SD as well they have more out of state hunters request license than get them each year.

[trappnman]

lets see- Ca has a 120 day season with no ice

MN gets Maybe a month, before the marshes freeze

and Ca harvests more ducks?

wow- guess what- Mn has more fish take through ice than CA-
must mean no fish in CA?

[FWS]

lets see- Ca has a 120 day season with no ice

And higher bag limits with more species available.

Our bag limit on specklebellies (white-fronted geese) this year is 10.

10!!!!!! They are the 'ribeye of the sky', they and brant are the finest eating geese there are, and that ain't 'subjective', just plain fact.



And our posession limit is now triple the daily bag limit, with the limit on Aleutians now 10 as well !!!!!

And a full month on Pacific brant, which opens on November 1, same day as the recreational Dungeness crab season. So I can go shoot a couple brant, probably a bushel full of Aleutians, some ducks and then hop in the boat and go pull a crab pot and get my limit of Dungeness crabs.



Here are the season frameworks proposed by the USF&WS,

Atlantic Flyway (Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Vermont, Virginia and West Virginia):

Ducks: A hunting season is proposed of not more than 60 days between Sept. 27, 2014, and Jan. 25, 2015. The proposed daily bag limit is 6 and may include no more than 4 mallards (2 hens), 4 scoters, 3 wood ducks, 2 redheads, 2 scaup, 1 black duck, 2 pintails, 1 canvasbacks, 1 mottled duck, and 1 fulvous whistling duck. The proposed daily bag limit of mergansers is 5, only 2 of which may be hooded mergansers. In states that include mergansers in the duck bag limit, the daily limit is the same as the duck bag limit, only 2 of which may be hooded mergansers.

Geese: For light geese, states will be able to select a 107-day season between Oct. 1, 2014, and March 10, 2015, with a daily bag limit of 25 birds and no possession limit. Seasons for Canada geese would vary in length among states and areas depending on the populations of birds that occur in those areas. The daily bag limit will be 5 birds in hunt zones established for resident populations of Canada geese. In hunt zones established for migratory populations, bag limits will be 5 or fewer and vary among states and areas. For Atlantic brant, the season length may be 30 days with a daily bag limit of 2.

Mississippi Flyway (Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee and Wisconsin):

Ducks: A hunting season is proposed of not more than 60 days between Sept. 27, 2014, and Jan. 25, 2015. The proposed daily bag limit is 6 and may include no more than 4 mallards (2 hens), 3 wood ducks, 1 mottled duck, 2 redheads, 3 scaup, 2 pintails, 1 black duck, and 1 canvasback. The proposed daily bag limit of mergansers is 5, only 2 of which may be hooded mergansers. In states that include mergansers in the duck bag limit, the daily limit is the same as the duck bag limit, only 2 which may be hooded mergansers.

Geese: Generally, seasons for Canada goose would be held between Sept. 27, 2014, and Jan. 31, 2015, and vary in length among states and areas. States would be able to select seasons for light geese not to exceed 107 days with 20 geese daily between Sept. 27, 2014, and March 10, 2015; for white-fronted goose the proposed season would not exceed 74 days with a 2-bird daily bag limit or 88 days with a 1-bird daily bag limit between Sept. 27, 2014, and Feb. 15, 2015; and for brant it would not exceed 70 days with a 1-bird daily bag limit or 107 days with a 1 bird daily bag limit between Sept. 27, 2014, and Jan. 31, 2015.

Central Flyway (Kansas, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Texas, and portions of Colorado, Montana, New Mexico and Wyoming):

Ducks: Duck season frameworks are between Sept. 27, 2014 and Jan. 25, 2015. The daily bag limit is 6 ducks, with species and sex restrictions as follows: 5 mallards, no more than 2 of which may be females; 3 wood ducks, 3 scaup, 2 pintails, 2 redheads, 1 canvasback, and 1 mottled duck. Mottled ducks may not be harvested during the first 5 days of the regular season in Texas. In the High Plains Mallard Management Unit (roughly west of the 100th Meridian), a 97-day season is proposed, and the last 23 days can start no earlier than Dec. 13, 2014. A 74-day season is proposed for the remainder of the Central Flyway.

Geese: States may select seasons between Sept. 27, 2014 and Feb. 15, 2015, for dark geese and between Sept. 27, 2014, and March 10, 2015, for light geese. East-tier states are able to select a 107-day season for Canada geese with a daily bag limit of 8. For white-fronted geese, east-tier states will be able to select either a 74-day season with a daily bag limit of 2 birds or an 88 day season with a daily bag limit of 1 bird. In the west-tier, states may select a 107-day dark goose season with a daily bag limit of 5 birds. In the Western Goose Zone of Texas, the state could select a 95-day season with a daily bag limit of 5 dark geese (including no more than 1 white-fronted goose). For light geese, all states would be able to select a 107-day season with a daily bag limit of 50.

Pacific Flyway (Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington and portions of Colorado, Montana, New Mexico and Wyoming):

Ducks: States are allowed a 107-day general duck season between Sept. 27, 2014, and Jan. 25, 2015. The proposed daily bag limit is 7 ducks and mergansers, including no more than 2 female mallards, 2 redheads, 2 pintails, 1 canvasback and 3 scaup. For scaup, the season length can be 86 days, which may be split according to applicable zones/split duck hunting configurations approved for each state.

Geese: States may select a 107-day season between Sept. 27, 2014 and Jan. 25, 2015 for Canada geese, and between Sept. 27, 2014, and Mar. 10, 2015 for light geese and white-fronted geese. Proposed basic daily bag limits are 20 light geese, 10 white-fronted geese, and 4 Canada geese. There are many exceptions to the basic bag limits and season structures for geese in many states, so consult state regulations for specific details. For brant, the proposed season lengths are 16 days in Oregon and Washington and 30 days in California, with a 2-bird daily limit. Washington and California are able to choose seasons in each of the two zones described in state regulations.

[FWS]

Oooh, and lets not forget the late seasons on Aleutians, specklebellies and snows..................

[trappnman]

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FWS we have nothing to hunt or fish anyhow according to you


Never said that, only that you have fewer opportunities overall in MO. You have plenty of white-tails and squirrels, but no bears, feral hogs, very little upland bird hunting, and your waterfowling isn't as good as CA's. And you have a Hell of a lot less fishing and species to fish for in general. Not much public land either.

except for feral hogs- MN provides all the opportunity I could ever want, or need.

lets see- grouse, huns, sharptails, praire chickens, woodcock, snipe plus turkeys ducks and geese.

some of the biggest and best whitetails in the world

some of the best fur, and opportunities for fur in the world

elk, moose, deer and bear

plus- and a big, big plus- we CAN use footholds, ram snares, conibears, etc