TRay
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Post by TRay on Jul 18, 2014 16:07:41 GMT -6
Several years ago had a well known chef from CA retire and buy a large ranch in my hometown in Eastern MT, after some time he decided to open a restraunt that had the same type of menu that made him very wealthy in CA. It failed miserably, ranchers and cowboys didn't care that type of food, if it isn't steak and taters it won't work. I think much of the Midwest is that way.
I think any list like that has to be subjective, kind of like the people who vote on movie or music awards.
I think it's funny that the food list is real close to the lists that show the best states to live in, or happiest people. It's just in reverse order! Quality of food much not have much influence if people are happy or not.
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Post by FWS on Jul 18, 2014 16:32:40 GMT -6
Pretty much, but that's changing fast as the market shifts to the younger generations.
We had a lot, and I mean a LOT, of Midwestern families, transfer to my hometown to work at Delco, Hughes Aircraft, Raytheon, etc. back in the 70's-80's and I watched the same phenomenon occur for years, there were a handful of foods that were their staples, meat, potatoes, Wonderbread, bologna, yellow mustard if they were really daring, and everything else was just weird.
Took me years to get some to try shrimp, big beautiful deepwater shrimp that I'd bring home alive and steam, or boil, or do the Nawlins' BBQ in butter with lots of pepper. Thing is that once they did try it there was no satisfying them with enough afterwards.
Same thing with Mexican foods, most had no experience with it at all back then, now it's their favorite since I still know a lot of them.
Funny thing about those ranchers in the West though is they have a craving for seafoods, if you hunt out of state an icechest full of live crabs, or cases of home canned albacore, smoked salmon or blackcod, or hook em' up with fishing trips sure opened a lot of gates.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 18, 2014 21:44:58 GMT -6
Start to finish farrowing houses are year round , cattle on feed year round, chickens year round, egg production in Iowa year round lots and lots of eggs.
As far as ranchers go, most of my sheep producers I worked for ate a lot of beef and lamb and fish consumption was down on the list, the ol timers grew up ranching sheep and had little time to worry about seafood or fishing outside of their stock ponds or the rivers. Farmers different than ranchers more down time in the summer than a rancher has.
I like lean pork and I get some great pork butts for smoking with a nice even fat cap layer, pork and the other white meat ad has done wonder for pork production.
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Post by FWS on Jul 19, 2014 10:48:54 GMT -6
But those are all products produced all across the country, including CA and Hawaii.
A few weeks ago I took a walk through of an operation where they were growing pineapples and strawberry papayas, as well as avocados and cherimoyas, all high value fruits and doing so on hillside land that isn't suitable for producing other things but has a microclimate suitable for this type of cultivation.
CA is full of small independent producers like this.
So it's just another reason why CA would rank #1 on a list like that of the article and would exceed the criteria they used, because examples like I gave above grow exponentially, as does the sheer amount and varieties of foods and drinks available.
The last count I saw was CA had 316 craft breweries producing 2.5 million barrels of beer. Most all of em' independently owned and operated.
As a couple of fish buyers tell me, both originally from China and both travel there a lot on business, the best Chinese food isn't found in China, it's in CA where the ingredients are fresher and of better quality.
But the shift to mass production hasn't improved the quality, the pork coming from the small producers raising the heritage breeds is a lot better eating.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 20, 2014 6:00:02 GMT -6
Produced all across the country but the Midwest drives production in many key AG areas fact. Per capita California craft brewery's are much smaller in sales than other state like Colorado . Per capita craft beer consumption is much lower in Cali than other Midwest states. New Belgium brewery in Colorado sold 792,000 barrels by itself in 2013. Obviously plenty of people like the pork produced as it is right behind chicken for volume sales in the US. You Need to try Burgers smokehouse pork you can buy it on amazon they have some excellent pork for sale.made right here in Missouri. There bacon and hams are top notch. So is their rope sausage. California can rank 1 in many areas and that is great but again all subjective to taste not because you have ideal weather for growing certain things, not enough to get me or others to move there
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Post by FWS on Jul 20, 2014 9:19:21 GMT -6
It's what's cheap and available..................... But there is better quality pork and chicken available and many prefer that. No, it is because of growing conditions and the value of the 400+ ag commodities produced here. Given that CA produces so much, in such variety, that is sold nationally and globally, it's not really 'subjective'. Sure, because there are fewer year round outdoor opportunities in the Midwest, so they drink more as a result.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2014 10:03:33 GMT -6
And I've provided you with factual information, while others only offer opinions based not on experience or fact but personal bias.
factual information? CA has the best food, because CA has the best food-
whats factual about that?
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Post by FWS on Jul 21, 2014 10:21:39 GMT -6
Well that's your interpretation anyways..................
But, if we did a serious scientific review of foods, from production, to diversity of ingredients and preparation, to quality, we'll find it is indeed factual.
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2014 12:16:12 GMT -6
you can say it all you want, but it still doesn't make it true-
fact is, taste is subjective-
there is no "scientific" review-
why? because its impossible to prove subjective issues- be like determining a score 1-10 for a diver- 10 judges, 10 different scores- all with the same knowledge, same training, same criteria for judging
SUBJECTIVE
but please- answer the age old question- what IS......quality?
be precise now
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Post by FWS on Jul 21, 2014 13:51:56 GMT -6
In fact it would be true given the great diversity of foodstuffs produced in CA, much of it year round. Add in the variety of preparations by the most ethnically diverse population in the nation.
So yes, much as you'd hate to admit it, it would be true.
Most of your fresh produce comes from CA...................
There can be on this and it's most certainly been done on a variety of the issues we're discussing here given that it does relate to business/marketing.
Can you be objective in considering that ?
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Post by trappnman on Jul 21, 2014 14:52:00 GMT -6
its never been in contention, that CA produces a lot of different food- I for one never stated otherwise- its YOUR statements on how every product made in Ca, is superior to anywhere else (all right, you will grudgingly concede New Orleans and Ireland)in taste, color size and cajones I guess.... and that's a my dad can beat up your dad kind of boast & I won't discus it any further that horse is just dust and bones.... And I've provided you with factual information, while others only offer opinions based not on experience or fact but personal bias.
lol- you keep broadening your scope- now its best marketing and business state- see above but quality- you bet- its been a discussion that gone on through the ages with no answer- so yes, I'd like your view of what determines quality- and not some example of a grape that grows in some valley- I'm talking about the philosophical concept of what IS quality the we will discuss the existence of God....... batter up!
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Jul 21, 2014 16:32:55 GMT -6
Again FWS you FEEL California has the best of produce there is no fact to any of it. Plenty of peolle grow food locally and sell it at the many farmers markets we have. If you think grocery store produce that is grown in California is the best so be it. So many states produce local home grown stuff and many people get it from the locals. I know a guy I trap on he grows tons of sweet corn and sells it at various markets by the pickup load daily. Same for his tomatoes, green beans and other produce. It isn't year round due to weather correct but he makes a good living off of the season we do have as many people by local raised stuff. So FWS makeup your mind we are either talking world food or small batch higher quality which is it. I can tell you California doesn't have the lock on small batch high quaility commodities. I know guys that do grass raised beef, free range chickens and eggs, small hog lots and grass fed lamb, only it all comes down to prIce point for the majority of Americans though. If you making chicken noodle soup a whole fryer from Tyson's is about the same as a whole fryer from a smaller dealer. I bought plenty of hudderite chickens in my day and the reason was price first then size and taste. They where a good chicken but so are pilgrams pride and Tyson. I have fresh butchered chicken as well neighbor used to slaughter his own . If you think for a minute that people will pay 4.00 a lb for a whole chicknen versus 1.09 a lb and have sales close to the same your crazy. Does not matter to them they can fix chicken 1,000 different ways. Same goes for pork. beef etc. In laws where here for the weekend had a great chuck roast from a local supermarket darn fine eating and on sale great flavor but still to pricy for me to spend 26.00 on a hunk of beef when I can feed my kids as healthy or more with other protien sources until the beef market comes back down to reality. Sounds like your a whole foods shopper hey
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Post by bblwi on Jul 21, 2014 20:24:28 GMT -6
CA is the 2nd leading organic dairy state as WI is #1. CA is however the leading state for organic veggies and we don't pay much attention to that fact as we concentrate on their huge conventional commodity production. As to taste I am not qualified to offer an opinion. I have been in CA 3 times for a total of about 20 days and the fresh fruits and veggies we ate were good. Considerably better than the off season ones that are shipped to the northern climates. Our local strawberries, raspberries, lettuce, potatoes etc. are really good. Finishing on the vine really does make a huge difference.
Bryce
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