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Post by trappnman on Mar 7, 2014 13:21:57 GMT -6
one thing I learned Lee was that what was something of no consequence here (ie ditches, elevations, etc) was of much greater value in the flatness/similar terrain.
also found that ponds were only good if cattle in pastures now, or very recently- ponds that were summer range, had little or no action for me
also -hate the wind out there- but it sure dries things up quick
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2014 19:36:23 GMT -6
No Bryce it is a fact that the suicide rates on Indian reservations are much higher than the a g off the reservations. This can be contributed to many things one we have not helped with all the free handouts and no need to feel self worth when the check comes in the mail every 30 days. Again fact not fiction. The other is through the years they have grown accustomed to such and makes for a rather bland life specially for the youth on the Indian reservations as many have little to look forward to and come from homes that are broken and not good environments to foster self worth and drive and ambition to accomplish goals, Same could be said for many areas in the US inner cities and the likes face the same problems. When you have unemployment rates above 70 percent like on many Indian reservations another factor that plays into it as well.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 7, 2014 19:39:52 GMT -6
FWS I am talking about the woods used the rubs and marinades much of that is born here in the US on modern day BBQ. The sauces made today many are very good. I have a sweet mix of wood for pork butt has maple, pear,cherry, peach all mixed together maKes for a great smoke and flavor after the marinade and dark brown sugar rub.
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Post by FWS on Mar 8, 2014 0:08:54 GMT -6
No, we can't credit the U.S. for that since the origin of the ingredients lies elsewhere, with most in common use by the cultures who discovered or developed them hundreds or thousands of years before. Same with the woods used, they were in use for cooking and smoking long before the white European settlers "discovered" them.
Food history is really interesting when you delve into it, dig deep enough and you'll find those Midwestern rib joints pretty much stole the original recipes and concepts just like Glen Bell did with tacos for Taco Bell and marketed them.
I've been using these spice blends from South Africa that are amazing, they smoke them over hardwoods and the smell is intoxicating.
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 8, 2014 7:18:57 GMT -6
Sure most things originate from other countries but still here in the US we have come up with Our own twist on foods and much has been Americanized so to speak. yes history is great and all but the BBQ guys have made twist and adaptations and made them American by nature over time.
Will be smoking an American pork butt tomorrow at 7 am. LOL.
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Post by FWS on Mar 8, 2014 11:35:39 GMT -6
Not always for the better unfortunately.................
Maybe corporatized for mass production and marketing is a better way to put it. I had dinner the other night at a Mexican place run by a guy who learned his skills and recipes from his mom, grandma, and others in Mexico. He was a landscaper before and would volunteer to cook at various functions, making family recipes. The food was so good and the people who ate it and told him so also told him to open a restaurant. Which he did and now the line to get in goes down the block.
Everything fresh made from raw ingredients, just freakin' amazingly good food.
There ain't no way a franchise or chain restaurant can do it that well.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 8, 2014 11:58:09 GMT -6
I am glad to hear that you stated it as a fact and maybe in ND it is. We have several Native American Reservations here with about 50k Native Americans living on or near reservations. We don't seem to have as severe of a suicide issue as you claim to have and we don't tell others we would be happier as a state if the overly dependent Native Americans were not included in our societal data. I have studied two different tribes here quite extensively and visited them as well. Both have high unemployment and the youth who could go and work elsewhere choose to stay for the most part and we are studying the importance of family connections as to why that would be the case. From the early data collection it seems that living with less opportunity, yet with family even if that is not a totally healthy environment is better than taking some of the perceived and or real discrimination that the non reservation world brings upon them. It is difficult for me to comprehend but then I have not lived in their homes, shoes or reservations and been party to the thought process that is created by what they see, hear and live with.
Bryce
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 8, 2014 17:01:03 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 9, 2014 7:43:56 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 9, 2014 7:52:54 GMT -6
Pam those numbers from ND are skewed 47 people statewide and they call that an alarming rate LOL. So 35-64 age group which I am betting a 1/3 rd or more of the population is in ND and a total statewide population of 699,000 . Population is up 7.6 percent in recent years. The makeup of the state is people over 65 14.4 percent and people 18-65 is about 50 percent of the makeup of the state meaning 47 deaths from suicide out of 300,000 people. That translates to .000156 percent. many of which could be transplants from other areas with the increase in population of 7.6 percent or close to 50,000 new residents to the state since 2010.
factor in our economy and rising cost I would hink nationwide in the last few years suicide has gone up across the board just a guess on my part.
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Post by RdFx on Mar 9, 2014 10:48:29 GMT -6
Are the military suicides included in those figures? Its interesting the suicides are higher in the military since the Iraq and Afganistan wars have started. Higher that WW11 and Nam if im correct. WW11 people had longer battle stays, for instance the Navajo Code Talkers stayed the duration with no R&Rs or breaks as US wouldnt let them go as no one else to run communication in Navajo....those guys are true heros in my book and saved our ass and lots of our military personell including alot of my now deceased friends who fought there..
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Post by PamIsMe on Mar 9, 2014 15:07:49 GMT -6
So the headline is misleading, maybe it should just read: ND happiest state for Caucasians.
Cheers, Pam
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Post by bblwi on Mar 9, 2014 16:50:19 GMT -6
That is exactly my point Pam. I am not questioning the suicide rates on reservations as that has been quite common knowledge for decades. My concern is that people would like to qualify statistics for their state or region by asking others to exclude groups from the mix, almost like they are not fully credible citizens of their own state and their plight or culture is to be taken separately from the other stats. Is it any wonder the federal government needs to offer social support if the citizens of the state wan't them excluded from their stats as they skew the data.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 9, 2014 19:27:32 GMT -6
Bryce has nothing to do with exclusion but has more to do with why the numbers are so much higher on Indian reservations and until those are dealt with we won't see much of a shop in suicide rates on those reservations............
I Am asking where would that number be without the high rates found Indian reservation that is a valid point I feel.
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Post by bblwi on Mar 10, 2014 20:27:50 GMT -6
Your last statement just helped verify my concerns and thoughts. You can do anything you want with numbers, what do you do with your citizens is what really matters.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 11, 2014 4:56:48 GMT -6
Bryce Has nothing to do with compassion or people the numbers are what they are, it is the gathering of such that makes the difference in the final tally. Wr all can't be a champion for all causes. others work on the Indian reservation issues We all have only so much time in a day, but not to speak to what the numbers show and how they are brought together? Then what is the point of the final figures written by some reporter at all then? let's not confuse the facts of statistics and cloud it with compassion. As in these reports they really have little to do with one another.
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Post by trappnman on Mar 11, 2014 6:36:27 GMT -6
cloud it with cpmpassion? either one IS a compassionate person, or one is not-
its not a faucet
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Post by bblwi on Mar 11, 2014 11:03:21 GMT -6
Argue all you care to it does not eliminate the statements you make about the suicide rates in the isolated Native population is worse and that make the rest of you look bad. What would be a more apples to apples and meaningful study would be the suicide rates among those on all federal reservations and see if ND or SD would be similar to, below and above and maybe some reasons why. It is like saying that we here in WI want to separate out the foreclosed upon dairy farmers for suicide rates from the rest of our 5.5 million so our rates can be adjusted. Or any other special group we care to omit for whatever reason or thing we want to prove or not include.
It has nothing to do with compassion either. We all know there is not enough money to do all but that is made more difficult by those who want to deny the obvious as well.
Bryce
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 11, 2014 17:43:41 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 11, 2014 17:49:22 GMT -6
I lived 2 miles from the Cheyenne Sioux tribe reservation and was on that reservation many times a week. I am not an outsider looking in I have been all over that reservation as I worked the deeded ground doing predator control for a period of years. I have worked for and knew many Indians in my years. I have also been down by pine ridge and a worked for ranchers in that area doing prairie dog control. I have donated many,many deer to the tribe for their people to eat and have a good source of protein. triple digits to be exact. I have also helped get them generators when needed during power outages in winter blizzards and also went and picked up a few trailer loads of those makita generators when finished with them. So I have compassion doesn't mean I need to be blind to the facts.
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