A Couple More Passable Ones

[bogio]

Wish they were all like these two.

[bogio]

There had already been a mental note to self at the catch about that chain and swivel. I've preached about using the Sterling swivels and about 99% are so when I was posting the pic I wondered if I'd be caught in my hypocrisy. It will all be 100% Sterling's and kinkless before next season.

Yes, that pan was jacked to the side. I was lucky and I learn from my mistakes.

Screen? Yes.

Gotta love them Midwest silkies, ay?

[trappincoyotes39]

[bogio]

1080 wrote:
[glow=red,2,300][/glow]I`m betting you never knew to buy boatloads of pans when they were still available,,,,Right?[glow=red,2,300][/glow]

Well, you know what they say about hindsight. Many, many years ago at the national in Peoria, I bought like 8 doz. Monty 1 1/2 round jaw offsets to trap fox from Ludy for $30 a dozen (still got them). The real kicker? He was selling #3s for around $45 A DOZEN! At the time I knew no better.

I think the shock spring (thanks OG!) helped save the pan. It was seriously torqued to the side. That chain link was wedged down on there tight and took considerable jacking around with a pair of pliers to get it off. Rest assured that problem will be addressed!

[Possum]

Kind of makes me glad I'm a #4 Sleepy Creek guy. I add a butterfly double stake swivel, adjust the pan tension and it's ready to go. When the chain bends the dog as in photo #1, I just tap it straight and back in the game. I bought some heavy duty dogs from some vendor at a convention a few years ago so when one gets ripped off completely (once or twice a year event) I replace with those. Nothing against customizing Bridgers or going with other brands, I just stick with what works very near perfect for me.

[trappnman]

splitting hairs to a degree- for example, my screens work perfectly for me- so if you can't change the trap (ie not too many selling montys) work with it, not against it

[trappincoyotes39]

Yes crunch proof swivels they work well not as low as the sterlings but a good swivel. #3 american made chain. Chestnut rings I like them for a few reasons I don't have to use rebar they are on to add length and have staking options I can use a cable rig or rebar depending on the ground. Yep JC spring no movement at the point of anchor cable or rebar and coyote proof . I have yet to bend the spring pins back in the pic have been done so harder for springs to get tossed.



3/16 versus 1/4" we are talking a 1/16th of an inch correct? I can always add to them and make a candian jaw IF needed. Springs can be switched out when needed I haven't seen issues from the springs in the past. Higher jaws due to design and levers ride high so as they weaken replace them with music wire. Deep holds and levers maxed out = great holding power.



Pan sits higher than some sure, but I like a tad deeper bed than most I like more covering on my traps than less, screen probabaly not yet I don't use it. I pack inside and outside for a solid trap. I don't have an issue with them being pefectly flat due to my beds, the PIT pans set at 3lbs to 3.5lbs are ready for a solid hold deep holds are the norm with these.

Lastly I'm not trying to sell you or anyone, the bridgers are a good trap at a good price and when worked up become better.

My work is done LOL.

[Wright Brothers]

"Not even a JC spring pin which is the best hands down."

A good point many tinkerers miss.
Some traps, the pin tourques while under stress.
I don't want that tourque THERE.
I know, splitting hars, it's not broke, etc.

Thanks for pointing out Conners carry them.
I'll check em out at convention.
I've been making ny own.

At least that is how I read this. Carry on.

To the screens. I tried them again. Stiff stainless,
I think they better on traps like #3 square jaw
than #3 oval jaw. By no means a screen expert,
just my thoughts so far.

[bogio]

Experienced this a few days ago. I've been wondering about something with it and TC's pictures have me wanting answers.









Power out of a #3 Montana. Had 4 sets at this location which had produced 4 coyotes and a possum. Pulled them after the snow drifted and put in this single set on a spot that blew/melted clear. Sign showed there had been at least 1 if not 2 others with the one that was caught (should have had more sets in). Lot of fur in the circle and tracks coming in and out. Tracks up onto the drift and leading away show escaped coyote leaking.

My question is this. I bought 2 Montanas to try. The Sterling base plates I bought for modifying were center swiveled rather than offset. I read an opinion once that center anchoring is inferior in that it leads to this very scenario. It makes powerouts more possible. Any experiences with this?

[trappnman]

I personally don't think it matters. but wasn't the wisdom that center swivel caused less losses, cause it "centered" the foot?

Unless I'm reading the pic wrong, it looks like he was in, out- so not so much powered out, but barely caught and escaped. no catch circle, trap st out

it happens

heck, even 1080 had a miss once......

[natedawg]

Any chance a deer was caught and pulled out, then coyotes walk by later leaving tracks?

[bogio]

You are reading it wrong. Picture doesn't really show the degree of catch circle. That was frozen stubble that set was put into. All that debris did not exist prior to the catch. Screen tore into little bits. Coyote fur everywhere. He was there for quite a while. No toe catch, very solid blood/foot mark offset to the right of center in the jaws as the trap is laying.



Deer don't leave bloody coyote tracks as they leave the scene.

[jim]

My guess is that the hair/fur was from the other one or ones biting it. I have no idea how or why it got out having been in there long enough to have the foot bleeding that much.

Jim

[Possum]

My initial thought was a deer snap. If it was a coyote, he's one lucky camper. (Considering his alternative.) If this was something that happened regularly, I'd be doing some head scratching. If it's like one in a 100 thing, it's "chit happens."

[bogio]

Here is the set a few days after the remake. Catch circle is quite evident.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to how I can post pictures of bloody coyote footprints leading away and folks assume it's a deer hit. Oh well.

My intent in posting about this was to see if anyone had info as to center vs. offset base plate anchor points. Knowledgeable men such as Vernon Hopkins were base plating as far back as the 40s I believe. Pictures I have seen show it to be offset. I think it was Charlie Dobbins I'm pulling the reference to center anchoring assisting pull outs from. I thought I read that the center anchoring came about as part of the BMPs. And we all know that the government always knows the best way to do things. Anybody?

[trappincoyotes39]

Well I have never has many of these issues with either center or offset base plates be them sterlings or other makes. I'm thinking your lugged offset and the montana was more of an issue than was the base plate? Could have been toe catches with that heavy screen Half joking of course .

Hey 1080 here is some with sterling swivels ;D

[trappincoyotes39]

The bottom pic is what happens when the gun notch gets worn. Reason to do PIT pans IMOC.

[trappincoyotes39]

Maybe I can change your mind when/if they come out with the drop down pans for the #3 bridgers what do you say?

These are from Lanes Trapping supply so far only 1 13/4 and 2 sized traps being done.



If not each to his own as long as we are all killin a few coyotes with what we got!

[bogio]

1080:

Your explanation makes total sense. I'll kick all that around as I finish out the season and decide which changes to make with my program for the next go around.

By the way, no parts.

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[Yodog]

Jan 10, 2013 0:30:18 GMT -6 1080 said:

Jan 5, 2013 17:48:55 GMT -6 bogio said:

Bogio,,,

What did you see that I can`t from this picture as to why this set is here?( Not ball Bustin)

This appears to be a "Point A to Point B" walk by spot, not a "Come To" spot,,,,,The snow force you to set this here?
Reason I ask it reminds me of something I saw in Indiana and sparks my interest as to what the surroundings look like.Maybe you can post a shot/shots of the general surroundings (panoramic) ?


Video even better if the camera has that feature....

Thanks..

Forgive my ignorance, but could you give some examples of a "come to spot" and explain it further. Thanks