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Post by mechanicjbk on Nov 15, 2012 22:12:33 GMT -6
What do you guys think the most fur friendly center fire cartridge is?
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Post by stickbowhntr on Nov 16, 2012 7:32:03 GMT -6
.22 Hornet , but depends if you reload then many can be just as mild. What you shooting and are the called or just dispatch?
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Post by lb on Nov 18, 2012 13:29:21 GMT -6
Fur friendly, yeah, depends on bullet choice, but in a factory cartridge, a hornet is a good choice. It comes with a couple negatives, some of which are addressed by the K Hornet. Another choice(s) with negatives are the 22 mag and LR, and sub categories of that.....
You just can't make blanket statements without acknowledging the shortcomings of a cartridge for any specific purpose. If you fail to point out negatives, somebody else will surely do so, so the safe answer is; whatever works.
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Post by 7oaks on Dec 10, 2012 20:42:53 GMT -6
For calling critters in........22 Mag, 22 Hornet, 218 Bee, 222 Rem, 223
You can download the latter 2 to Hornet/Bee/Mag velocities if need be, can't load the others up.
I'm partial to .218 Bee with 45 grainers pushed by IMR4198. They go in fox/cat/yotes and don't come out, but liquify the boiler room. Same on 'chucks, too.
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Post by scalloper on Dec 30, 2012 5:58:56 GMT -6
I have shot 26 coyotes with my AR .223 using Superformance 53gr V-max with not one pass threw but I did have 2 splatter which was a mess. I skinn all of my fur so this combo works great on coyotes but not good at all for fox.
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Post by lb on Dec 30, 2012 11:20:05 GMT -6
And, your experience tends to support what I wrote, above:
"You just can't make blanket statements without acknowledging the shortcomings of a cartridge for any specific purpose."
And if you deal with fox, the stray coyote might be lost because of the inadequate firepower.
I am extremely/sorta negative about using an AR for any type of hunting, but if it blows your skirt up, I'm happy for you. Enjoy it while you can, if you catch my drift?
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Dec 31, 2012 9:20:45 GMT -6
The reason I have went to a 243 for coyotes is I think coyotes and fox aren't really on my radar. I will sacrafice some damage on fox for stopping power on coyotes. The reason I have went to a heavier bullet has been discussed alot, I want better more reliable performance on those coyotes. I couldn't be happier than what a 95 nosler has done performacne wise on coyotes for me. They stop coyotes well and fur damage is more than liveable. In my 1-9 twist they shoot excellent groups. What is great for one won't be such for other critters, but I focus on coyotes and what does the best job for me.
Smaller calibers when shooting longer ranges loose energy and also back to poor bullet construction in my opinion when dealing with coyotes.
All depends where you hunt and what you hunt LOL.........................
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Post by lb on Dec 31, 2012 12:42:15 GMT -6
I agree with that. Recently, I made a stand in a wooded canyon, in southern Arizona. Saw lion scat stepping out of the truck, always a good sign. (and, apparently, a big boy?)
Carrying my 22/243, 62 gr. Berger, first stand, called six gray fox, killed three, all blown in half. No exaggeration.
Partner, with Benelli says to me; "Next stand, if you see a cat, don't shoot it." I paused, thought about it briefly, then laughed. (potential $1,000 bobcat)
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Post by jim on Jan 1, 2013 7:47:51 GMT -6
Carrying my 22/243, 62 gr. Berger, first stand, called six gray fox, killed three, all blown in half. No exaggeration.
Seems like a waste. Jim
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Post by lb on Jan 1, 2013 11:31:52 GMT -6
"Seems like a waste. Jim"
Ah, Jim shares an opinion! Do I detect disapproval?
Here's the thing, Jim. Your motivation is respected, AS MINE SHOULD BE. If you want to pull fur on a ten dollar animal, you have my blessings.
My point above is: it's difficult to cover all eventualities when calling. The whole spectrum was a possibility, from lion and bear, to jackrabbits and gray fox, and the cartridge most appropriate for one, is not suitable for another. I am not discussing the moral equivalent in killing one of God's creatures, large or small, for whatever purpose. Judge not, lest ye...
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Post by jim on Jan 1, 2013 20:13:17 GMT -6
Leonard: Do what ever you want in Arizona it makes no difference to me. I don't call them Gods creatures, I never believed that ARK story.
Jim
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Post by mastermink on Mar 18, 2013 21:31:16 GMT -6
What is your opinion about .17 HMR for yote hunting? i am looking these gun  |
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 19, 2013 18:40:54 GMT -6
Too light and small for coyotes past 50 yards IMO, not to mention bullet placement needs to be ideal for ammo choices out there. I wouldn't consider the 17 her as a reliable coyote caliber for calling.
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Post by mastermink on Mar 20, 2013 19:05:17 GMT -6
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Post by trappincoyotes39 on Mar 20, 2013 19:24:05 GMT -6
nice gun for p-dogs at limited ranges, coon work and such. Nice looking savage and the accu trigger are sure nice, plus most all savages shoot great! But for coyotes?........................
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Post by tweedledumb on Mar 22, 2013 20:22:38 GMT -6
She is a beauty? Shot it yet?
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Post by lb on Mar 22, 2013 23:06:59 GMT -6
Big mistake, mastermink.
That's not a coyote rifle, it's a joke.
Just proves that some people; you can't tell them nuthin'.
I hope there aren't many hardheads out there reading this that think they know it all.
If you don't like my opinion, you shouldn't have asked. BB
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Post by mastermink on Mar 23, 2013 6:18:56 GMT -6
I have no problem whith your opinion. My purpose isn't shoot them at 300 m.... :  .I know very well the limit of it. |
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Post by mastermink on Mar 23, 2013 6:25:51 GMT -6
She is a beauty? Shot it yet? Yes! Very accurancy!! Shoted at 25,50,and 100 yards and almost not droping. |
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Post by lb on Mar 23, 2013 9:19:27 GMT -6
many are being recalled
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