Veep Debate

[C1972]

This debate was much more interesting to say the least. Reps will say Ryan won and Dems will say Biden won. I'm still astounded at the lack of specificity on the Rep side. As far as foreign policy goes, VP Biden looked like a man against a boy. For those with doubt, do we as a nation want to revert to the absolute failed policies that G Dub implemented or do we want a President who's been fixing these screw ups for almost four years? It's going to take longer than eight years but at least President Obama will have that chance. PHEW!

[robertw]

Obama can't even tell the truth about a terrorist act, let alone deal with it responsibly.

4 years of Obama and the we have almost lost in Afganistan. He snubs his nose at meeting with Netunyahoo (sp?) / our ally because he is to busy meeting with "The Veiw" instead of doing his job.

Increased our national debt more than any other president.


Beyond a shadow of doubt Obama will go down in history as the worst president the United States has ever had!

[PamIsMe]

Did you watch the entire debate Robert? You seem to just be parroting the same 'ole Tea Party lines.

Most especially the segment on Afghanistan, Joe stomped on Ryan/Romney's non-plan. Biden's point was that at SOME point the Afghani's need to know they have to take over and be responsible for their own country, AND unless given a firm timeline, they'll just keep on assuming that the troops (ours and 51 other nations, who all agreed on the time line) will be there to help them indefinitely. They NEED a sense of urgency to step up and take responsibility for their own security. He also reinforced several times that our troops will be out of there in 2014. Ryan even agreed that Romney approved of the timeline.

Ryan did a fair amount of name and place name dropping but to me just didn't come across as really understanding that the US is not alone in making decisions about our involvement with the middle east.

Pam

[kevinupp]

Best quote on the debate...

"If you heard [the debate] on radio, Biden won. If you watched it on television, he lost."

[PamIsMe]

..... it depends on who was watching on TV and how prejudiced they are in either direction.

[kevinupp]

Actually it was pretty dead on in my experience. I listened to it on the radio while watching the football game, and my dad watched it.

My dad (who will make you and steve look like right wing conspiracists) called me right after it was over and said: "Boy did Biden get spanked." I said; "listening to it he sounded like he did really good."


He said you had to see his body movements and laughing at inopportune times. He wasn't pleased. But he really isn't a fan of Biden either. So that may have clouded his judgement.

[James]

Oct 11, 2012 22:31:50 GMT -6 kevinupp said:

Best quote on the debate...

"If you heard [the debate] on radio, Biden won. If you watched it on television, he lost."

And I know why. Apparently, none of Biden's debate coaches taught him to keep a poker face when his opponent is speaking. This is very important, and fundamental to the whole game. If you do it as much as Biden you come across as something of a smart-arse.

When you shake your head in disgust, smirk, or laugh, you just tell the audience to pay more attention to what your opponent is saying, and that you're worried about what he's saying.

Jim

[James]

Sorry about my "edit" appearing in your post, Kevin. I hope I left it unaltered.

I'm always doing this! Hitting the "modify" button instead of "quote" when I want to quote somebody. Someone slap me upside the head.

Jim

[trappnman]

and Robert W, will go down as the worst political conversationist in history- GIGO

[robertw]

Pam,
Pretty hard to avoid simple facts, even though you tried.

The debt is unforgivable. Snubbing our Ally's while appearing on "The View" is perceived by many as being derelict in his duty.

The drastic enlargement of the entitlement segment of our society in the US will go down in history as his epitaph as president.

[James]

"The debt is unforgivable."

Funny, I didn't hear you saying that when Bush and "Deficits don't matter" Cheney were in office.

"Snubbing our Ally's while appearing on "The View" is perceived by many as being derelict in his duty."

Obama has met with Netayahoo a number of times. He didn't meet with lots allies at the time you're talking about. He's supposed to drop everything else to keep meeting with the leader of a pipsqueak nation in the Middle East at the drop of a hat?

"The drastic enlargement of the entitlement segment of our society in the US will go down in history as his epitaph as president."

Yes, a lot of new people fell into the safety net as a result of the Bush recession. So what's your point?

Odd how you get upset over our own citizens' needing help, but don't have any problem with the billions we give to foreign nations like Israel every year.

Jim

[James]

Btw, Robert, what is the reason for conservatives' love affair with Israel anyway?

When I was in Japan three years ago I ran into a group of obvious European descent on the train to Mt. Koya, a popular tourist destination. I heard them talking English, so asked the guy nearest me where they were from.

"Israel," he finally replied.

I told them I was from the US, and asked what they thought of Japan. To my surprise, they ignored me and kept chatting amongst themselves. There was no misunderstanding; it was an intentional slight.

After a while I began resenting the fact that I had paid for my own vacation to Japan, while theirs was being subsidized by US taxpayers like myself. US aid to Israel runs more than $3 billion a year.

A nice savings for Israeli taxpayers at our expense here.

Jim

[bblwi]

Watched the entire debate. Felt that both reached their base voters, but I feel many independents may still want more information. The amount of foreign policy issues gave a edge to Biden over Romney from experience. Biden was too aggressive and interrupted too often which pleased Dem's but was not a good move for the independent voters in my mind.

I believe Biden stated his cases better and the GOP campaign still has no real announced plan where revenue will come from, costs will be trimmed. I am betting that the bulk of their revenue numbers are staked on the 7 to 12 million jobs they say they will create and the tax revenue they project will come from those jobs. Notice that Ryan stated several times that we are headed for a debt crises which means in his mind we are not there yet. Which means they have no real plan to avoid the increase in our debt and know that their tax cuts and job growth if it occurs will have some lags and that will increase debts at the very least.

Bryce

[TurTLe]

James I had the same experience with Israeli's when I was stationed in the Sinai Desert. To me they are rude pompous pricks. Maybe it's just part of their culture of being in constant war since 1956. I don't know.

I also agree with you about the debate. I felt Biden was clearly winning the debate, but it was all lost on his attitude. My wife, which leans way left of center got so disgusted with him, she left the room and wouldn't come back until I changed the channel. I don't think either guy helped their side. Ryan clearly last the debate, but Biden may have given him the win depending on how disgusted the viewers became.

[minkman99]

To me, Ryan looked and sounded much more proffesional. Biden stuck Ryan two or three times, but like everyone else says, Biden acting like a loon did him no favors.

[bobbrennan]

with all this talk everyone says they want details I dont think details can be given in a 2 min answer in a debate we dont ever get details from any politician we didnt with obama care we needed it passed first remember nutsy pelosi said so all this garbage is just talking points every one here has thier mind made upwho their voteing for in my opinion!

[trappnman]

Romney acted the same way

[seldom]

The Left Slams Biden’s Out of Control Derision

By Clash Daily / 12 October 2012

Ralston Report’s Jon Ralston: “Biden’s facial expressions guarantee he will have a talk show after his elected career, but may not be good for a debate.” (Jon Ralston, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

NBC News’ David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.” (David Gregory, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

NBC News’ Mike O’Brien: “Biden Really Has To Rein In His Mannerisms.” (Mike O’Brien, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

CNN’s Piers Morgan: “Joe, seriously, STOP SMIRKING. This is serious stuff. Be Vice-Presidential.” (Piers Morgan, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

CNN’s Gloria Borger: “It was condescending at times, to Paul Ryan and I think I could’ve done with a lot less eye rolling and chuckling on the part of Joe Biden.” (CNN’s “Inside The Spin Room,” 10/11/12)

Bloomberg’s Josh Barro: “Biden smirk is…not good.” (Josh Barro, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Pittsburg Tribune-Review’s Salena Zito: “Smirk = not good decision.” (Salena Zito, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

NBC News’ Betsy Fischer Martin: “Biden constant smiling is reminding me of Gore constant sighing in 2000.” (Betsy Fischer Martin, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Ok. I have decided. I find the Biden smile slightly unsettling.” (Chris Cillizza, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Cillizza: “I seriously don’t get the Biden incredulous laugh thing.” (Chris Cillizza, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Cillizza: “The Biden smile = the Gore sigh?” (Chris Cillizza, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake: “Biden making lots of noise/motion while Ryan is talking.” (Aaron Blake, Twitter_Feed, 10/11/12)

WPHT Philadelphia’s Chris Stigall: “Biden laughs like this is a game. Disgraceful.” (Chris Stigall, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

New York Magazine’s John Heilemann: “Biden = Bentsen on crystal meth.” (John Heilemann, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

The Miami Herald’s Marc Caputo: “Did anyone tell Joe Biden about the perils of the split screen and the poker face it can require?” (Marc Caputo, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

ABC News’ Rick Klein: “Biden must have heard a very funny joke earlier.”(Rick Klein, Twitter_Feed, 10/11/12)

The University Of Virginia’s Center For Politics Larry Sabato: “SNL will have to devote entire show just to Biden’s facial expressions.” (Larry Sabato, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review’s Salena Zito: “Multiple Dems email that Biden’s tone dulls what he is actually saying ‘Too smirky’ ‘the interuptions are awful, rude’” (Salena Zito, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein: “Will Biden interrupt Ryan’s closing statement?” (Sam Stein, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Biden Attacking The Moderator “Doesn’t Help With Likability”

The Washington Times ‘ Kerry Picket: “Biden is getting irritated. All that pointing at Raddatz.” (Kerry Picket, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Politico’s James Hohmann: “Biden ARGUING with the moderator. That doesn’t help with likability.” (James Hohmann, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

The Washington Post’s Chris Cillizza: “Complaining about moderator: bad form for candidate.” (Chris Cillizza, Twitter_Feed, 10/11/12)

Biden’s Antics Aimed At His Base, Turned Off Independents

The Denver Post ‘s Lynn Bartels: “I know Dems are excited by Biden, but I think the interruptions and smiles might be turning off non politicos tuning in tonight.” (Lynn Bartels, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein: “Not sure how Biden will test with independents. Maybe not too well. But this was clearly a message to the base: get enthusiastic.” (Sam Stein, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Real Clear Politics’ Scott Conroy: “Thinking the Dem base is loving Irish Uncle Joe Biden tonight but not sure about undecideds.” (Scott Conroy, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

ABC News’ Amy Walter: “Seriously, Joe Biden, the laughing/smirking is not working for you. Very curious to hear what voters at home think of it.” (Amy Walter, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

New Hampshire Union Leader’s Joe McQuaid: “Biden going for base, sure can’t be impressing indies, undecided.” (Joe McQuaid, Twitter_Feed, 10/11/12)

The Atlantic’s Joshua Green: “Biden’s angry wonking not effective.” (Joshua Green, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

Politix’s David Mark: “Ryan’s demeanor coming off as reasoned and measured compared to Biden’s animation.” (David Marx, Twitter Feed, 10/11/2)

Politico’s James Hohmann: “Ryan is very CALM and POISED when talking about foreign policy. When you’re talking about foreign wars, that’s what voters want to see.” (James Hohmann, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

CNN’s Sam Feist: “CNN Focus group loved it when Ryan talked about the debt crisis. Women more than men.” (Sam Feist, Twitter Feed, 10/11/12)

[thorsmightyhammer]

I never watched the debate but I listened to about half of it on the way home yesterday on the radio.

Biden didnt come off to me as what is described so I guess you had to watch it to get that feeling.

[C1972]

It's pointless to try and make the GOTP see the error of their ways. When President Obama gets re-elected, maybe then you'll realize that the majority of the electoral college and citizens know what's right for the country....and it ain't Mitt Robme. From what I've seen as of late, the unsustainable path your party has chosen is one that is ripe with hate, demagoguery, untruthfulness, hypocrisy and a general disdain for fellow Americans, especially the one we now call Mr. President. The party of no has spoken, now the citizens of America will take them to task come Nov. 6th. I can't wait!
It's sad to see how far we've fallen as a society. When men like Mitt Robme and Paul Lyin' Ryan are the best the GOTP can offer as a viable candidates, there's a serious flaw in our collective psyche. I wonder if it's because of the palpable hate that exudes from most GOTP'ers I know OR is it something else. Don't say it's the economy because WE ARE BETTER OFF NOW THAN FOUR YEARS AGO. DO THE ARITHMETIC! Yes, the debt is high, that's for sure. It tends to get that way when the credit card bills come due (Thx George Bush), it IS his fault and shall continue to be his fault until my yet to be born grandchild dies.
President Obama isn't perfect but at least we've had full disclosure of his income. He doesn't flip flop. We all know where he stands, like it or not. Robme is hiding something. To think otherwise, you're a partisan fool. As I've said previously, the serial flip flopper is now FOR what he was against and now AGAINST what he was for (usually changes with the wind direction I think). "I';ll tell you my plan AFTER I'm elected. The human windsock is a snake oil salesman of the highest caliber.
To imagine a nation that elects men who will institute the same failed policies that got us into this cluster@#$ of an economy to begin with is beyond the realm of comprehension to me.
In doing my part, I've helped to register 8 friends whom have never voted before. In a non-partisan way I might add. I could care less, just get out the vote! Also, I'll be working at the local Dem headquarters next week for a couple days a week doing whatever until the election. I've never done it and want to get involved, I'm taking my 9 y.o. daughter with me as well. Hope she doesn't pass out from boredom. Whatever your party affiliation, I encourage you to get involved in our greatest civic duty. ;D